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Exploring Jesus's Appearance in His Kingdom
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That is not who that verse is talking about.
That verse was the LORD Jesus Christ talking to His people, Israel. But the principle is the same... don't judge simply by appearances.
Irrelevant.
Irrelevant.
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It's a nice story, but it isn't what the scriptures are saying explicitly. For one thing, according to Romans, He arose never to die again.
Romans 6:9 KJV — Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
You'll notice that it doesn't say, "having gone to heaven and received His non-mortal body..." But the emphasis on dying is compared to His immortality--meaning that He, with His resurrected body, can't die anymore. He, with His previously mortal body, is now immortal in that body.
I believe what you wrote above.
This is the part I have not had time to check whether I have any steps wrong in my previous thoughts and post.
Still don't. Sigh. I will and will get back to you. Thanks for speaking to me.
Chapter and verse? I know he was beaten badly from scripture. There could be some historical information on a scourging.
The second person of the trinity, whom Paul says is the image of the invisible God, appeared a couple of times in the "Old Testament".
I admit up front that I asked Siri for some details as I began. I just don't have the time lately to do my own search. I found a site called For the Gospel. Written by Kevin Hay Apr. 22 Christ's Earthly Ministry. What Did Jesus Do After the Resurrection?
Summing up some of the main points:
Jesus did not immediately ascend to heaven after his resurrection. The article says:
He appeared first to the women at the tomb. Then to Peter. Then to two disciples. Then to the ten disciples. Then to Thomas and finally to over 500 people.
I may disagree with this complete order because of two interesting points I have found in scripture which seem to interrupt the flow.
1.) Jesus told the woman at the tomb, --- Don't touch me. I, (Jesus being the risen Lamb of God,) have not yet ascended to the Father. IOW words: He had risen but still bore the dead flesh and was seen.
2.) Yet, later he told Thomas to look at his hands and touch the wound in his side. I asked: What transpired between the woman at the tomb and the meeting with Thomas? Don't touch versus touch?
3.) At the tomb his body was unrecognizable. With Thomas it was different. It was super-natural. It had the ability to appear and disappear and walk through walls.
This is what I think happened: The sacrificed Lamb of God, who was our Lord Jesus, went to the Father and carried his sacrificed body there to be laid on a heavenly alter. Afterwards he returned for 40 days of appearing to many on Earth.
Two things possibly happened during the period before and after he arose and took the body of the Lamb to the heavenly altar.
1.) For the three days before he went to heaven he preached in hell to lost souls. I Peter 3:18-19.
2.) Then he went to the Father and his slain body was laid on a heavenly altar. (I cannot find the scripture where I read about this!!!!)
3.) Then he returned to Earth for 40 days of appearing with a super-natural body that could appear and disappear and could walk through walls etc. This was a body Jesus bore which had not yet undergone his final glorification.
Think about this: The WORD of God, who was God and was with God, did not die ... but it was the mortal body he was given through Mary that died. That was the Sacrifice! The eternal WORD took that body to the altar of the Creator and it was given eternal life. The WORD came again to appear among mankind to show the WAY our salvation would play out. The risen Lord displayed our final hope of an eternal body we would be given.
Yet, this was not to be HIS FINAL ETERNAL GLORY! The glory HE will have when HE brings all things to an end. I'm not sure if this will be when he returns to reign for 1,000 years on an earthly kingdom, or when he finally he throws Satan into the Lake of Fire and then he reigns over the New Jerusalem eternally .... but John 17 tells us of his final glorification:
Read all of John 17:1-5
4 I, Jesus, the WORD (bearing the image of the Sacrificial Lamb,) have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
And of course the book of Revelation describes the glory of the Father and the Son as they appear within the New Jerusalem.
My opinion is this: People are prone to leave out the mysterious times when the body of the Lamb was taken to the Father and the time when The WORD of God preached to souls in hell to those who lived before the days of the flood. I suggest these things happened before the 40 days of appearing to many people.
You know I can agree with you in this manner.
The Father and I (Jesus) are ONE!
Jesus was the WORD of God, who was with God and was God.
The Father was the LORD God and spoke the WORD of God to Adam and Woman.
The WORD (The Messiah) and the Father were ONE in the beginning.
In what way? They being God shared the glorious super-natural image of God. God came walking and talking as the presence of the invisible God appearing with the SAME ONE IMAGE God created for himself to appear as Emmanuel!
Jesus explains this clearly when he made this request in a prayer: John 17:1-5
4 I (Jesus) have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had (which I shared) with thee before the world was.
IOW, just like Jesus said: When you have seen me, you have seen the Father (except my image is seen in flesh!)
The Father could have said: When you have seen me, you have seen the promised Messiah (except my image is seen with a super-natural glory).
Within Jesus's prayer, just before he was to be crucified, HE was asking the Father to allow HIM to have that same glory which he had shared with the Father before the world was!
So I agree with you: Jesus was the second personage of the God Head/Trinity, which the Spiritual God manifested of himself as a second "Emmanuel" who came among men having his own mission to accomplish.
You see, scripture does not say: No one has ever seen God the LORD Father ... but it does tell us that no one had ever before seen God the Son (the second person of the Trinity before) until God the Son arrived.
Here is an diagram of John 1:18 where it says that no one had ever seen God manifested as his own Son of flesh. To the best of my ability I have personally done this diagram.
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Thanks for explaining to me how that works. Visitors can't respond... or won't respond. Makes sense.
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Visitors can't respond, you ignoramus.
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How many times do you have to be told?