Daniel 9: 26 also predicts the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple.. "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."
The Messiah is said to be cut off,
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Wrong. Daniel says
A messiah will be cut off, and not
THE messiah.
Big difference.
For the finer details look here:
https://sites.google.com/site/777mountzion/daniel9
Isaiah 53: 3-5 was fulfilled in detail as well
Isaiah 53 speaks about the people of ISRAEL, and not about the messiah.
For the finer details look here:
http://Isaiah53.notlong.com
as other prophecies such as Micah 5: 2, "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting."
Micah 5 is NOT fulfilled, for the finer details see here in the beginning of chapter three "Messianic prophecies":
http://MountZion.notlong.com
And the origins in Micah 5 being from "everlasting" is a mistranslation:
Micah 5:2
New American Standard Bible "But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of eternity."
Holman Christian Standard Bible " Bethlehem Ephrathah, you are small among the clans of Judah; One will come from you to be ruler over Israel for Me. His origin is from antiquity, from eternity.
New Life Version "His coming was planned long ago, from the beginning."
Darby Translation "whose goings forth are from of old, from the days of eternity."
American Standard Version "whose goings forth are from of old, from everlasting."
All versions of the King James: "whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting."
Amplified Bible "Whose goings forth have been from of old, from ancient days (eternity).
All the above translation say the origins of the messiah are from "everlasting" or from "eternity", hereby implying that the messiah is God.
The Hebrew words here translated with "from everlasting" or "days of eternity" are "yamei olaam", which means literally "ancient days".
Many Bible translations translate it like that, only the above hold on to "days of eternity", or something with the same implications, because they want to push the wrong Christian idea that the messiah is God himself.
However, also the above translations know how to correctly translate the words "yamei olaam". We see that for instance in Micah 7:14, were the same expression "yamei olaam" is used. See here how the above translate it there:
Holman Christian Standard Bible " Let them graze in Bashan and Gilead as in ancient times."
New Life Version "Let them eat in Bashan and Gilead as in days long ago."
Darby Translation "let them feed in Bashan and Gilead, as in the days of old. "
American Standard Version "let them feed in Bashan and Gilead, as in the days of old."
King James: "let them feed in Bashan and Gilead, as in the days of old."
New American Standard Bible "Let them feed in Bashan and Gilead As in the days of old."
Amplified Bible "they shall feed in Bashan and Gilead, as in the days of old."
Another place where the expression "yamei olaam" is used, is in Isaiah 63:11
Holman Christian Standard Bible " Then He remembered the days of the past, [the days] of Moses [and] his people."
New Life Version "Then His people remembered the days long ago, the days of Moses."
Darby Translation "But he remembered the days of old, Moses [and] his people:"
American Standard Version "Then he remembered the days of old, Moses and his people,"
King James: "Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people,"
New American Standard Bible "Then His people remembered the days of old, of Moses"
Amplified Bible "Then His people [seriously] remembered the days of old, of Moses and his people"
Another place where the expression "yamei olaam" is used is Amos 9:11
Holman Christian Standard Bible "In that day I will restore the fallen booth of David: I will repair its gaps,
restore its ruins, and rebuild it as in the days of old,"
New Life Version "In that day I will build again the tent of David that fell down. Yes, I will build it again from the stones that fell down. I will set it up again as it used to be."
Darby Translation "and I will raise up its ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:"
American Standard Version "and I will raise up its ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old;"
King James: "and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:"
Amplified Bible "and I will raise up its ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old,"
New American Standard Bible "I will also raise up its ruins And rebuild it as in the days of old;"
Another place where the expression "yamei olaam" is used is in Malachi 3:4
Holman Christian Standard Bible "And the offerings of Judah and Jerusalem will please the LORD as in days of old and years gone by"
New Life Version "Then the gifts of Judah and Jerusalem will be pleasing to the Lord, as they were in the past."
Darby Translation "Then shall the oblation of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto J-e-h-o-v-a-h, as in the days of old, and as in former years."
American Standard Version "Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto J-e-h-o-v-a-h, as in the days of old, and as in ancient years. "
King James: "Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of old, and as in former years."
Amplified Bible "hen will the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasing to the Lord as in the days of old and as in ancient years."
New American Standard Bible ""Then the offering of Judah and Jerusalem will be pleasing to the LORD as in the days of old and as in former years."
It should be clear by now for everybody that the expression "yamei olaam" has no bearing on "days of eternity" whatsoever.
It is always translated correct, except there where Christianity wants to push it's dogma of a divine messiah. There the translations are corrupted in order to squeeze in JC.
The Genealogy given in Matthew 1: 1-16 is important in establishing that Jesus Christ in the physical was a descendant from Abraham and David.
Luke .3: 23-38 also gives us the genealogy of Jesus Christ, back to Adam. The existence of the Old Covenant at the time of Christ's birth, ministry and death on the Cross helped to establish the identity of the Messiah.
Well, you have a bit of a problem there, because the genealogies from Matthew and Luke are totally different.
Then, in 70 A.D. the Old Covenant system, which had been in existence from the beginning of the Messianic era at the death of Christ on the Cross to 70 A.D was given a deadly wound, when Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed.
The Temple was destroyed before that, and Judaism recovered quite well from that deadly blow.
Genesis 49: 10 is fulfilled in the birth, ministry and death on the Cross of Christ. "The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be."
From my page on which I speak about the so called "messianic prophecies",
https://sites.google.com/site/777mountzion/324x0 a small excerpt about Genesis 49:
Here is an interesting verse that provides the Baptist with five messianic prophecies:
Gen. 49:10...The time of His coming...Lu. 2:1-7; Gal. 4:4
Gen. 49:10.......The Seed of Judah.......Lu. 3:33
Gen. 49:10......Called Shiloh or One Sent......Jn. 17:3
Gen. 49:10...To come before Judah lost identity...Jn. 11:47-52
Gen. 49:10...To Him shall the obedience of the people be...Jn. 10:16
This is refreshing in the sense that this verse does speak about the messiah. By the way, the “recycling” of verses that the Baptists are doing, is one reason why they make it to 324. Here is one verse which, according to the Baptist counting, stands for five messianic prophecies. Other verses account for as many as eight prophecies. But even with this technique they are forced to add verses which have no bearing on the messiah whatsoever, as shown before.
Genesis 49:10 “ The scepter shall not depart from Judah, not a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh comes; and to Him shall be the obedience of the people.”
Christianity sees here “the time of his coming”. The time period in which this prophecy will be fulfilled is clearly given here in Genesis 49. Look in verse 1; “And Jacob called his sons and said, "Gather together, that I may tell you what shall befall you in the last days:” Jacob was telling his sons what would befall them in the end of days. (end of days according to Youngs literal, and in this case correct, translation)
2000 years ago we were obviously not in the last days or end of days. Therefore the messiah could not have come then. Some Christians use the term “the scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet until Shilo comes” to prove that the messiah must have come before Judah lost the kingship with the destruction of the second Temple. However, they forget that the first Jewish king, Shaul, was from the tribe of Benjamin. They forget that during the Babylonian exile after the destruction of the first Temple there was no Jewish king; long before JC the scepter was lost for Judah. So that Christian theory doesn’t make any sense.
He must be from the seed of Judah. Right. The messiah will be a descendent of King David. King David was a descendent of Judah. Judah was a descendent of Israel. (Jacob) Israel was a descendent of Isaac. Isaac was a descendent of Abraham. So the messiah is going to be a descendent of all of these. Also him descending from all of the above is brought by the Baptists as messianic prophecies fulfilled by JC. But there is an enormous problem here: JC was NOT a descendent of King David, and therefore automatically disqualified from being the messiah. Whether or not somebody is a descendant from the tribe of Judah, or from King David, goes through the male line. Therefore the NT gives two totally different, contradicting genealogies, proving that Joseph, the husband of Mary, was a descendent of King David. See Matthew 1 and Luke 3. But even if you believe one of those genealogies, they are useless, because they give the genealogy of Joseph, who was NOT the father of JC. The holy ghost is supposed to be the father of JC. So unless anybody wants to say that the holy ghost was a descendent of King David, JC was not in the male line a descendent of David, and is therefore disqualified from being the messiah.
Called Shiloh or One Sent. Shilo does not mean “the one sent”. Out goes this “messianic prophecy”.
To come before Judah lost identity. In that case he should have come before the destruction of the first Temple. Then already Judah lost its autonomy and was exiled to a foreign country.
To Him shall the obedience of the people be. Are you being obeyed when you are nailed to a cross? Did any nation ever obey him? Does the world now obey him? Also this is an unfulfilled prophecy.
"I have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto David my servant, 4. Thy seed will I establish for ever, and build up thy throne to all generations. Selah." Psalm 89: 3-4
The "seed" of David in Psalm 89: 4 is his spiritual seed, as is the promise of the seed from Abraham also being his spiritual seed,.
No, it speaks about physical seed, not spiritual seed.
"Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one,
The singular word "seed" is in the Hebrew Bible MANY times used for multiple descendants, for instance: "And I will make your seed (singular) as the stars of heaven;" Gen 26:4
So you cannot draw any conclusions from the fact that the word "seed" is singular.
