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"Messiah of Aaron and Israel." Priest and nation, Knowledge and wisdom.
Dead Sea Scrolls: The Damascus Rule.#6. "But God remembered the Covenant with the forefathers, and He raised from Aaron men of discernment and from Israel men of wisdom,"
The Community Rule (1QS) D.S.S. #9. "until there shall come the prophet and Messiah of Aaron and Israel".
[Aaron and Israel: Priest and nation.]
Yahshua is the Messiah of Aaron and Israel.
Isaiah 11:2
The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him— the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD...
Luke 2:40-47. 40. And the child grew and became strong; he was filled with wisdom, and the grace of God was upon him. 47. Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers.
1Cor 1:30. It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God...
Colossians 2:1
I want you to know how much I am struggling for you and for those at Laodicea, and for all who have not met me personally. 2 My purpose is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love, so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding, in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ, 3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
Dead Sea Scrolls: The Damascus Rule.#6. "But God remembered the Covenant with the forefathers, and He raised from Aaron men of discernment and from Israel men of wisdom,"
The Community Rule (1QS) D.S.S. #9. "until there shall come the prophet and Messiah of Aaron and Israel".
[Aaron and Israel: Priest and nation.]
Yahshua is the Messiah of Aaron and Israel.
Isaiah 11:2
The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him— the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD...
Luke 2:40-47. 40. And the child grew and became strong; he was filled with wisdom, and the grace of God was upon him. 47. Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers.
1Cor 1:30. It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God...
Colossians 2:1
I want you to know how much I am struggling for you and for those at Laodicea, and for all who have not met me personally. 2 My purpose is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love, so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding, in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ, 3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
The experts would tell us that a parable is a 'fictitious story' that reveals a spiritual truth. I can agree that that’s true in some instances but not all.
In Judges, 1 Samuel , and Esther, when the words 'there was a certain'..."something,” are used, they referred to a real man, Jew, or Levite. Most Bible scholars as well as Strong's tell us they are fictitious events. I disagree.
If Jesus or other bible authors said, "There was a certain householder," OR, "There was a certain creditor," OR, "there was a certain man," OR, "There was a certain rich man," OR, "there was a certain beggar," OR, "there was a certain nobleman," OR, when the author of Acts said, "there was a certain disciple" Let me enlighten people of something.
If Jesus or the bible says, "there was," either there was or there wasn't! If Jesus say's, "There was," a certain, "something," THERE WAS A CERTAIN SOMETHING!
This is especially important with Luke 16 where there WAS a certain 'rich man' and a certain 'beggar' named Lazarus. Luke 16 did happen, and our Lord literally went to this place after He died. This passage proves a few things.
1. There is a place called Abraham's bossom where both the righteous and wicked dead go after they die. We know it as paradise.
2. There is a great unpassable gulf or chasm between the two compartments.
3. One compartment can see others in the other compartment.
4. In one compartment people are tormented. In the other, people are comforted.
5. The righteous or wicked dead cannot testify to the living about this place.
The Greek word that describe these two compartments is HADES and broken down to "upper and lower" Hades. This place is where all the dead await the resurrection, and the place Jesus visited during his three days "in the grave."
Ephesians 4:8-10 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
Another thing the 'experts' tell us is that the Old Testament Saints are still waiting for the resurrection. Ephesians 4:8 actually debunks that idea!
Christ went into paradise while His body was in the grave. Those who were held captive in paradise were then taken captive by Christ when He ascended. He emptied paradise and gave the resurrected their heavenly reward.
In Mathew 27:52 there was a resurrection of believers when Christ rose. Who else could they be other than the Old Testament saints? Christ emptied the paradise portion of Hades and the wicked remained in lower Hades. Since His resurrection, paradise continues to fill. It will be emptied again at the next resurrection called, "the harvest" mentioned in Revelation 14 and may or may not be the last time it's emptied.
"And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them."
The paradise section of Hades is no longer necessary as believers go directly to heaven from that point on.
However, the portion of Hades that contains the wicked dead continues.
Mathew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose.
I don't believe that graves had to be opened. I think they were opened to prove THERE WAS a resurrection at the time Christ rose and that there will be a future resurrection at His return!
So this brings us to a problem that Protestant bible scholars have misled us with for centuries. They tell us that Christians go directly to heaven after we die. There's not ONE VERSE in the entire bible that say's any such thing. There are many words and phrases that describe the place a Christian goes after death, but not once is the word HEAVEN used to describe it. It's actually simple common sense. When we die we go to paradise to await the Lord's return and subsequent resurrection. It makes no sense for one to go to heaven, which is not paradise, and then be resurrected with Christ. WE CANNOT enter heaven without first being judged and without receiving our glorified bodies.
So a parable is a fictitious OR real event that reveals an earthly spiritual truth. If Jesus said, "There was,"... then THERE WAS!"
In Judges, 1 Samuel , and Esther, when the words 'there was a certain'..."something,” are used, they referred to a real man, Jew, or Levite. Most Bible scholars as well as Strong's tell us they are fictitious events. I disagree.
If Jesus or other bible authors said, "There was a certain householder," OR, "There was a certain creditor," OR, "there was a certain man," OR, "There was a certain rich man," OR, "there was a certain beggar," OR, "there was a certain nobleman," OR, when the author of Acts said, "there was a certain disciple" Let me enlighten people of something.
If Jesus or the bible says, "there was," either there was or there wasn't! If Jesus say's, "There was," a certain, "something," THERE WAS A CERTAIN SOMETHING!
This is especially important with Luke 16 where there WAS a certain 'rich man' and a certain 'beggar' named Lazarus. Luke 16 did happen, and our Lord literally went to this place after He died. This passage proves a few things.
1. There is a place called Abraham's bossom where both the righteous and wicked dead go after they die. We know it as paradise.
2. There is a great unpassable gulf or chasm between the two compartments.
3. One compartment can see others in the other compartment.
4. In one compartment people are tormented. In the other, people are comforted.
5. The righteous or wicked dead cannot testify to the living about this place.
The Greek word that describe these two compartments is HADES and broken down to "upper and lower" Hades. This place is where all the dead await the resurrection, and the place Jesus visited during his three days "in the grave."
Ephesians 4:8-10 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
Another thing the 'experts' tell us is that the Old Testament Saints are still waiting for the resurrection. Ephesians 4:8 actually debunks that idea!
Christ went into paradise while His body was in the grave. Those who were held captive in paradise were then taken captive by Christ when He ascended. He emptied paradise and gave the resurrected their heavenly reward.
In Mathew 27:52 there was a resurrection of believers when Christ rose. Who else could they be other than the Old Testament saints? Christ emptied the paradise portion of Hades and the wicked remained in lower Hades. Since His resurrection, paradise continues to fill. It will be emptied again at the next resurrection called, "the harvest" mentioned in Revelation 14 and may or may not be the last time it's emptied.
"And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them."
The paradise section of Hades is no longer necessary as believers go directly to heaven from that point on.
However, the portion of Hades that contains the wicked dead continues.
Mathew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose.
I don't believe that graves had to be opened. I think they were opened to prove THERE WAS a resurrection at the time Christ rose and that there will be a future resurrection at His return!
So this brings us to a problem that Protestant bible scholars have misled us with for centuries. They tell us that Christians go directly to heaven after we die. There's not ONE VERSE in the entire bible that say's any such thing. There are many words and phrases that describe the place a Christian goes after death, but not once is the word HEAVEN used to describe it. It's actually simple common sense. When we die we go to paradise to await the Lord's return and subsequent resurrection. It makes no sense for one to go to heaven, which is not paradise, and then be resurrected with Christ. WE CANNOT enter heaven without first being judged and without receiving our glorified bodies.
So a parable is a fictitious OR real event that reveals an earthly spiritual truth. If Jesus said, "There was,"... then THERE WAS!"
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CherubRam
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You are doing well in your understanding of parables, however, you can disregard any Pagan notion of a Hell or Hades. Those things were added to scriptures.
iouae
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A modern parable ...
Look at Ps 23 for an example of the goodness of God towards sheep who are relatively stupid.
I have spent half an hour around sheep in my life, and that time was spent running away from a sheep which was trying its best to butt me.
Terrifying
So I am not in a real good position to relate to Ps 23.
But I do have a cat, so I relate to being a cat-owner. Cats are a bit like sheep, just harder to herd.
The point is that the cat owner/shepherd loves and cares for his animals because of his own goodness, not because of any intrinsic goodness on the animal's part.
My current cat has issues. He was obtained from an animal shelter - a rescue cat. I went to the shelter looking for a black and white cat. They did not have one. So less than ideal, I next looked for a black cat. R chose me, I did not choose him. He was the friendliest cat in a huge cage filled with cats.
I had brought a cage, but they insisted I take a stronger one. I wanted to pick him up, but they insisted on doing that.
On getting R home, I discovered why. He would not allow one to pick him up, and he was quite wild and may have escaped from my cage.
R obviously had not been properly socialised as a kitten. In retrospect, I think he was in a cage where they kept all the wilder cats. Like a maximum security prison.
The first few days he spent hiding away, even though he was trying to be friendly.
To this day he does not take being disrespected and has spilt a lot of my families blood by scratching us when we tease or move him against his will.
Also, he is not black, but in sunlight a dark browny-black.
And his front and back claws do not retract like normal cats. They permanently stick out, so you hear a tick-tick as he walks on a hard floor, just like one hears with dogs.
And his canines are longer than normal cats, giving him a sabre-toothed tiger look in that they protrude from his upper jaw.
He is very spoilt and will only eat fresh fish - no pellets.
This cat has very little going for him intrinsically and objectively.
But we love him. We have loved most of the bad personality traits out of him. The family are forever asking "Where is R?" if we have not seen him for a while. My family occasionally point out R's flaws, but I am blind to these.
Here then is my point. We love this cat possibly more because he had/has so many issues.
I think God loves us so much because we had/have so little going for us intrinsically.
And we all are rescue creatures. My cat has long forgotten what I saved him from, including possible death.
At night he will even poke his wet nose into my sleeping face and demand that I feed him. What a cheek.
But I get up, switch on the light, microwave him some frozen fish, and stagger back to bed.
The LORD truly is my Shepherd. He loves us as we love our pets.
Look at Ps 23 for an example of the goodness of God towards sheep who are relatively stupid.
I have spent half an hour around sheep in my life, and that time was spent running away from a sheep which was trying its best to butt me.
Terrifying
So I am not in a real good position to relate to Ps 23.
But I do have a cat, so I relate to being a cat-owner. Cats are a bit like sheep, just harder to herd.
The point is that the cat owner/shepherd loves and cares for his animals because of his own goodness, not because of any intrinsic goodness on the animal's part.
My current cat has issues. He was obtained from an animal shelter - a rescue cat. I went to the shelter looking for a black and white cat. They did not have one. So less than ideal, I next looked for a black cat. R chose me, I did not choose him. He was the friendliest cat in a huge cage filled with cats.
I had brought a cage, but they insisted I take a stronger one. I wanted to pick him up, but they insisted on doing that.
On getting R home, I discovered why. He would not allow one to pick him up, and he was quite wild and may have escaped from my cage.
R obviously had not been properly socialised as a kitten. In retrospect, I think he was in a cage where they kept all the wilder cats. Like a maximum security prison.
The first few days he spent hiding away, even though he was trying to be friendly.
To this day he does not take being disrespected and has spilt a lot of my families blood by scratching us when we tease or move him against his will.
Also, he is not black, but in sunlight a dark browny-black.
And his front and back claws do not retract like normal cats. They permanently stick out, so you hear a tick-tick as he walks on a hard floor, just like one hears with dogs.
And his canines are longer than normal cats, giving him a sabre-toothed tiger look in that they protrude from his upper jaw.
He is very spoilt and will only eat fresh fish - no pellets.
This cat has very little going for him intrinsically and objectively.
But we love him. We have loved most of the bad personality traits out of him. The family are forever asking "Where is R?" if we have not seen him for a while. My family occasionally point out R's flaws, but I am blind to these.
Here then is my point. We love this cat possibly more because he had/has so many issues.
I think God loves us so much because we had/have so little going for us intrinsically.
And we all are rescue creatures. My cat has long forgotten what I saved him from, including possible death.
At night he will even poke his wet nose into my sleeping face and demand that I feed him. What a cheek.
But I get up, switch on the light, microwave him some frozen fish, and stagger back to bed.
The LORD truly is my Shepherd. He loves us as we love our pets.
OCTOBER23
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IOU said,
Cats are a bit like sheep, just harder to herd.
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That is sooooo Funny.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Lets discuss biblical parables at this thread.
Are there any parables you would like to talk about?
Matthew 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Matthew 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
Matthew 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
Cats are a bit like sheep, just harder to herd.
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:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
That is sooooo Funny.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Lets discuss biblical parables at this thread.
Are there any parables you would like to talk about?
Matthew 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Matthew 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
Matthew 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
OCTOBER23
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CHERUB,
Ezekiel 20:49 Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! they say of me, Doth he not speak parables?
Lets discuss biblical parables at this thread.
Are there any parables you would like to talk about?
Matthew 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Matthew 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
Matthew 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
Ezekiel 20:49 Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! they say of me, Doth he not speak parables?
Lets discuss biblical parables at this thread.
Are there any parables you would like to talk about?
Matthew 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Matthew 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
Matthew 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
The adamah of a certain wealthy anthropon man-faced brought forth bountifully: and he reasoned within himself, saying, What shall I do, for I have not space wherein to gather up my fruits? And he said, This will I do: I will raze my granaries, and greater shall I build! And there will I gather all the grain and my goods. And I will say to my soul, O soul, you have much goods laid up for many years; take your ease, eat, drink, and be merry! But Elohim said to him, Aphron! this night your soul they shall demand of you: and what you have prepared, to whom shall it fall? Therefore beware of the anthropon man-faced, for they will deliver you up to the sanhedrins, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; and you shall be brought before governors and kings for the sake of the Master, for a testimony against them and the heathen. 