Creation vs. Evolution

[Mark SeaSigh]

All Deviation that is in the Human Genome, which causes pain; Is because of Mutation through Reproduction: a force that causes Creatures to "get worse", not "better", over TIME.

It's Proven by Science, you know?

Mutation can happen Fast or Slow, depending on what Causes it.

Chemicals and Radiation are faster.

: D

The Theory of "Common Descent", is Obviously False on that alone; But, it's made even More Clear, when Considering the Fossils in the Fossil Record.



=M=


So, The Same thing that "Evolutionists" claim Changed a Chimp-Like animal, into a Human Being; Through Reproduction based Mutation: is what has caused Back Problems to be Prominent in "Mankind's" Genome.

 

[The Barbarian]

All Deviation that is in the Human Genome, which causes pain; Is because of Mutation through Reproduction: a force that causes Creatures to "get worse", not "better", over TIME.

It's Proven by Science, you know?

So all those new mutations that Tibetans have, that let them live at higher altitudes are bad?

Mutation can happen Fast or Slow, depending on what Causes it.

Define "fast" and "slow." You just make this up as you go, don't you?

But, it's made even More Clear, when Considering the Fossils in the Fossil Record.

That's a testable claim. Show me any two major groups, said to be evolutionarily connected, and we'll see if there's a transition form to be found.

Should be interesting. Let's see what you have.

 

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Alwight,

I will get back to you tonight re your post to me. Thank you so much for posting about you and your mother. I surely hope she's still doing well.

Much Love, In Christ,

Michael

 

[MichaelCadry]

Debate Over, Going Once!

Here's your Evolutionist's last Chance; To post some "Proof of Common Descent".

Or, this debate about Evolution being true by any means, should be laid to rest; Right Now!!!



=M=

Dear Mark,

I know you got banned and that it wasn't because of this post. So no problem there. Thanks for all of your efforts. Don't give up the cause!!

God Be With You, Mark,

Michael

:sigh:

:shut:

 

[MichaelCadry]

Hi Michael, your back and mine is "proof" for Mark that the human spine evolved from a creature that didn't walk upright. Back problems are a part of the evolved human condition.

Dear Alwight,
The human creature had a spine that was fine. Not everyone gets what I have. I'm glad I did not have to walk on all fours just to get out of having some lower back pain.

We usually get a small amount of snow, for a few days, but none at all so far this year.

I know Al, it's like you can't even tell what the weather will be within the next day or two. So no snow yet, eh? I'm sure you'll get some soon, if you like. It is already the end of January. Winter will be over soon. It's been a kind winter for most people.

Thanks Michael, my mother is finding walking very difficult these days.
Is what you think you were called to AZ for going well?
Al

Alwight, I hope they are letting her take walks every day. When I was in the hospital for 9 days with pneumonia, they had to take me for walks cause I hadn't done it for so long. Does her legs hurt? Maybe from not getting enough exercise. Pain pills help. I'm going through something similar. You never realize how important your legs are until you stay off of them for an extended period of time (because of the plantarfaciitis and back). When my heels went, I could not use my whole legs. Just the heel messing up made me an invalid.

Does she have an electric cart also?? That will help a lot. She is in a nursing home, or hospice, Al?? How do you afford the nursing home?? I do hope she has some life insurance. I'm covered well, but my nephew doesn't have any life insurance. He's just thinking he will let whoever pay for his funeral.

Well, I'll get going! You both will be in my prayers every night. Just remember that you're loved and you have friends!! You are also very lucky that your Mom lived this long. I lost mine years ago when she turned 61. I'll be 61 in two years. Eeeeek!!

Cheerio!!

Michael

:sigh:

 

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Mark,

You're needed. Barbie is here! That sounds like the Avengers!! He wants to play a transitional game with you. See Post #7283.

God Be With You Mark!!

Michael

 

[Mark SeaSigh]

So all those new mutations that Tibetans have, that let them live at higher altitudes are bad?

I've heard you mention this several times, Barbie;

Do you mean the Men who are Tibetan Monks that live in the Mountains, who can also "Slow down their Heart Beat", by Meditation?

Just checking...


Do you think those "Monks" are "better or worse", than any other living Person on this Planet?

I think everybody is Born Equal; ( What do you think? )

Define "fast" and "slow." You just make this up as you go, don't you?

No, but you know that. : D

I was referring to how Chemicals and Radiation are usually faster ways to Cause Mutation to the Genome; Than Mutation through Reproduction.

That's a testable claim. Show me any two major groups, said to be evolutionarily connected, and we'll see if there's a transition form to be found.

Should be interesting. Let's see what you have.

I don't think any different species of animals share a "Common Descent" with Each Other, or are "Evolutionarily Connected"; Unless of Course they can be Interbred with Each Other: with any other Form of animal than It's Ancestral Line, I Mean.

So, Since I could not find any Two Major "Species" which share a "Common Ancestor" with One another; I now challenge you to:

Can you Please show me any Two Major "Groups of Animals", which cannot Interbreed; which you think Descended from a "Common Ancestor" of one another?


Go On Then; Name Two Main animal Groups, which Evolutionists think they have found the "Common Ancestor" of.
Then don't stop there; go ahead and show a Picture of a Fossil of the ancestor you think the Two Major Groups of animals shared.



=M=

 

[The Barbarian]

Barbarian asks:
So all those new mutations that Tibetans have, that let them live at higher altitudes are bad?

I've heard you mention this several times, Barbie;

And you're going to dodge again, um?

Do you mean the Men who are Tibetan Monks that live in the Mountains, who can also "Slow down their Heart Beat", by Meditation?

Yep. Still dodging.

So much for your story that all mutations are bad.

I was referring to how Chemicals and Radiation are usually faster ways to Cause Mutation to the Genome; Than Mutation through Reproduction.

You have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

(Mark again claims that there are no transitionals)

Barbarian suggests:
That's a testable claim. Show me any two major groups, said to be evolutionarily connected, and we'll see if there's a transition form to be found.

Should be interesting. Let's see what you have.

(mark dodges)

So, Since I could not find any Two Major "Species" which share a "Common Ancestor" with One another

The challenge was for any two major groups said to be evolutionarily connected. How about you stop evading the question, man up, and answer it?

(prediction: Mark will continue to dodge the question)

 

[Mark SeaSigh]

I'm sure they don't say any of them descended from a Common ancestor, that has ever been found.

I don't think that there is a "Missing Link" for any two Modern Major Groups of animals.

: D

Hey! You think you are an Evolutionist!

Why don't you show me; Two Modern species of animals: that Evolutionists think share a Common Ancestor?

After all; The Theory of Evolution states that all modern animals, share a "Common Ancestor".

Evolutionists think that animals have Gained New Functional Anatomy, over "Time"; Where is the Proof that any animal in the Fossil Record: has Gained New Anatomy Ever, since their Oldest Version of their Obvious ancestor in the Fossil Record?



=M=

So all those new mutations that Tibetans have, that let them live at higher altitudes are bad?

Prove that they can live at higher altitudes; Because of Mutation through Reproduction changing their Genome.

So far, you just have an Empty Evolutionist Claim.

I'm not dodging; how do you know that their ability to withstand higher altitudes has to do with there Genetic Information, or Mutation at all?

I mean, if they can "Slow their Heart Beat Down", by Meditating; how do you know that the altitude tolerance is due to Genetic Mutation through Reproduction?

(Mark again claims that there are no transitionals)

How is that possible?

Though that's what I believed; I didn't say the term "transitional", in the Post you were Quoting last... : D

Now what?

LOL!!!

The Questions are in Blue, Girl.

If evolutionists believe that all modern animals share a Common Ancestor; Which was it: trilobite, or Starfish?

 

[nodelink]

Evidences for a Creator include...

• Gender Differences and Complementary Attributes
• Symmetrical Similarities
• Ecosystems with their interdependent and balanced coordination among independent parts

How could gender differences exist without a Creator? How could they evolve by accident? How could a species reproduce? Men and women complement and complete each other with their different strengths and temperaments. Would the gender differences be as dramatic and interesting without a Creator? I think not.

The left and right halves of plants and animals and their components are consistently similar and matching. Consider a leaf and a tree trunk and the overall tree itself. The left side matches the right side to a significant degree.

Look at the left and right sides of the human face and the human body. They match. We couldn't walk as well without two matching legs and mirrored sets of toes. We couldn't accomplish nearly as much without two matching arms and hands and sets of fingers that work together.

Then there is ecology and ecosystems. Consider: Earth and sky, Earth and sun and moon and ocean tides, land and sea and atmosphere, plants and animals, predators and prey, oxygen and carbon dioxide. These components seem independent but it all works together to create a coordinated, balanced, sustaining ecosystem.

Praise and thanks to the Creator.

 

[alwight]

Mark, show us your proof that scientific rational explanations are not required and that complex life can simply appear fully formed out of thin air.
Show that a single human being simply came into existence which was already capable of producing decedents of all the various racial features and attributes that we see today, that this happened without regional genetic adaptions.

You may not want to accept common descent but it is clearly a much more rational explanation than "abracadabra", or no explanation at all. lain:

 

[alwight]

Mark was surprised elsewhere that Creation Wiki existed.
http://creationwiki.org/Main_Page

Maybe Rational Wiki will also surprise him?
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Common_descent

 

[alwight]

Evidences for a Creator include...

• Gender Differences and Complementary Attributes
• Symmetrical Similarities
• Ecosystems with their interdependent and balanced coordination among independent parts

How could gender differences exist without a Creator?

Sorry but your argument from ignorance needs to evolve legs to run or wings to fly. lain:

 

[6days]

Mark, show us your proof that scientific rational explanations are not required and that complex life can simply appear fully formed out of thin air.

Science is essentially a method of finding what the truth is. *And that method shows us life does not come from non life. Science does not exclude, but instead provides evidence of a supernatural creation.*

 

[6days]

Evidences for a Creator include...

• Gender Differences and Complementary Attributes

• 
  Unsolved mystery according to evolutionists.
  Cause for worship to believers.

 

[alwight]

Science is essentially a method of finding what the truth is. *And that method shows us life does not come from non life. Science does not exclude, but instead provides evidence of a supernatural creation.*

Not quite imo. Science is not the search for an absolute "Truth", it attempts instead to explain what is most likely to be true given the evidence.
If you think it is wrong then by all means use the same evidence show a better way.
However assertions of a supernatural creation aren't rational explanations of anything, just a belief.

 

[nodelink]

Sorry but your argument from ignorance needs to evolve legs to run or wings to fly. lain:

Alwight, thanks for the response.

Where would evolution gets its purpose and direction?

Natural selection kills but it doesn't create.

The free offer of the gospel offers pardons from sin now but it is a limited time offer. Christ's Atonement made the free offer possible.

Justice and mercy are metaphysical realities that aren't going away. God will display both throughout eternity among the vessels of wrath and the vessels of mercy. He is the potter. We are the clay.

Heaven and hell will be very different types of "resorts". Not all accommodations will be the same in each. There will be degrees of pleasure or pain. But, the worst place in one will be better than the best place in the other.

Humanity on earth is not holy. But, God is holy.

I saw this bumper sticker: "Oh, Evolve.". Should we praise the creature who evolves rather than the Creator who creates? I think not.

We have an annual holiday here in North America called "Thanksgiving Day". It started around 1621 after some good British people arrived on a ship named the Mayflower and gave thanks to Almighty God for Providences and provisions.

The burden of proof should rest with atheists who contend that there is no God to thank.

 

[6days]

Not quite imo. Science is not the search for an absolute "Truth", it attempts instead to explain what is most likely to be true given the evidence.
If you think it is wrong then by all means use the same evidence show a better way.
However assertions of a supernatural creation aren't rational explanations of anything, just a belief.

Supernatural creation is not even a consideration to atheists and many agnostics... Their start position excludes following the evidence wherever it leads. Assertions that exclude the Creator are not rational but simply a belief system.

 

[alwight]

Unsolved mystery according to evolutionists.
Cause for worship to believers.

Clearly sexual reproduction speeds up the ability of a species to adapt, which is surely why it exists rather than just asexual.
Sexual reproduction is possible because it does exist, but not knowing the absolute truth or sequence of events to its origin doesn't mean that it couldn't have evolved.
A rational scenario might involve simply an accidental transfer of genetic material at first in basically asexual life. Some individual creatures today can be of either gender at different times or neither. Specific permanent assignments of a sexual gender to individuals isn't much of a leap once the idea had caught on.

 

[alwight]

Alwight, thanks for the response.

Where would evolution gets its purpose and direction?

Hi NL,
Darwinian evolution is not thought to have any specific purpose or direction.
That's not to say that there isn't nevertheless a greater purpose only that it doesn't seem to require it.

Natural selection kills but it doesn't create...

All individuals die one way or another, but the only important thing for a species is those that can generate new life and offspring before they in turn eventually kick the bucket.
To do that they must be sufficiently well adapted to their environment to survive long enough. Natural selection will indeed weed out the less fit first.

...The burden of proof should rest with atheists who contend that there is no God to thank.

Firstly this atheist doesn't claim to know that no gods exist, only that I don't believe that any do.
Why would a specific God have to be pre-assumed?
Why shouldn't I simply just disbelieve until convinced otherwise?
Special pleading?