Constitutional Monarchy

Clete

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Have you guys read the book of chronciles and kings? The kings were a disaster, read your bibles....
The argument is not that a kingdom is a panacea but that they it better than any other system and is THE ONLY system directly endorsed by God. Representative types of government, God responded to by doing things like opening up the Earth and sucking the representatives and the people who wanted to follow them alive down into Hell. A kingdom is simply the only option if one is attempting to create a biblical government.
 

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The argument is not that a kingdom is a panacea but that they it better than any other system and is THE ONLY system directly endorsed by God. Representative types of government, God responded to by doing things like opening up the Earth and sucking the representatives and the people who wanted to follow them alive down into Hell. A kingdom is simply the only option if one is attempting to create a biblical government.
Do you only use modes of transportation and communication described in scripture? or ear clothes or eat foods? Are pizza and pasta ungodly food sources because they are not mentioned in the law?

Scripture itself give itself its on remit

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Its there for matters of righteousness, not for matters of governance. I think you are taking a literalistic view of scripture out the bounds of authority it sets itself.
 

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Do you only use modes of transportation and communication described in scripture? or ear clothes or eat foods? Are pizza and pasta ungodly food sources because they are not mentioned in the law?
Of course not.

I don't follow the logic. How is that in any way relevant?
Scripture itself give itself its on remit
It does what?

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Its there for matters of righteousness, not for matters of governance. I think you are taking a literalistic view of scripture out the bounds of authority it sets itself.
This is silly.

First of all, matters of government are matters of righteousness and so your entire point here is self-defeating.

Secondly, God Himself instituted human government when Noah landed the Ark, kicking off the Dispensation of Human Government which is still fully in effect to this day and will continue to be in effect until the Millenial Kingdom of Christ comes to a close.

Thirdly, there is literally a complete criminal justice system (i.e. included with but distinct from Israel's religious statutes) in the Old Testament, the laws of which are not only endorsed by Christ but by the Apostle Paul and others in the New Testament and serve not only as an example of what righteousness looks like but is the foundation of the gospel itself (i.e. if the death penalty is unjust then the whole dying on the cross thing doesn't work). In addition to that, most, if not all, of the inner workings of Israel's government is laid out in some detail in scripture as well, both before and after they were given a king.

Lastly, if one is seeking to think through issues of government and discover how righteous government would function and what form it would take, where else other than scripture would you suggest one look? What is invalid about asking the question, "Did God endorse any particular form of government and if so what form of government was it and why did He endorse it?" I don't think that's an invalid question at all! And there isn't but one answer to that question.

If you want to make an argument that there are forms of government that are superior to the one God Himself endorsed then I invite you to please make that argument. If you think that some other form of government is superior to a constitutional monarchy then, by all means, tell us what it is and why it's superior!


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From the Proposed Constitution, under "Amendment Process."


Any amendment or command issued by the King in defiance of this Constitution including one that increases taxes, gives all subjects the responsibility to engage in non-violent civil disobedience, including by withholding taxes, against such offense [B P]. However the King, as the ultimate national judge, likely will prevail in his own court against innocents, his decisions final on Earth even if unjust [B P], unless of course overturned by a foreign power. The King, though required to obey the laws herein, dwells above the jurisdiction of any other court in the land [P]. If the Monarch violates this Constitution through wrongful amendments or otherwise, while no American court has standing to prosecute him, he awaits the Judgment of God [B P].

America has proven to be the best government ever for Gentiles. We can thank God for the godly influence of Christians in the early founding days of its formation.
 

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What type of government is better than the Constitutional republic established in America?

See the title of the thread, and the OP.

What makes America great is its acknowledgment of God as Supreme ruler over men.

America has, for the most part, rejected God.

America is like a car that's about to go off a cliff, and there's no brakes.
 

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See the title of the thread, and the OP.



America has, for the most part, rejected God.

America is like a car that's about to go off a cliff, and there's no brakes.
The Constitutional republic is not a bad form of government but wicked men have polluted America just like wicked men have polluted every other form of government in history.
 

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The Constitutional republic is not a bad form of government

A republic is one step removed from a democracy. Go read what happened to Korah when they confronted Moses.

but wicked men have polluted America just like wicked men have polluted every other form of government in history.

Democracies (including Republics) naturally trend towards evil. ONLY a monarchy can allow for a recovery of the government.
 

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A republic is one step removed from a democracy. Go read what happened to Korah when they confronted Moses.



Democracies (including Republics) naturally trend towards evil. ONLY a monarchy can allow for a recovery of the government.
What if the monarch is a cruel despot?
 

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What if the monarch is a cruel despot?

Let me put it this way:

Monarchy is the purest form of government. A single point of accountability often rightly motivates.
· Even an evil King knows that history will hold him personally responsible for his government’s
actions.
· A bureaucracy can last for centuries and it morally deteriorates over time.
· Corrupt institutions virtually never revive. Corrupt kings can repent, or at the very least, die.
· Individuals often repent, bureaucracies rarely even express sorrow.
· Men under an evil King need change only one heart; those in a democracy can never change millions.
 
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marke

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Let me put it this way:

Monarchy is the purest form of government. A single point of accountability often rightly motivates.
· Even an evil King knows that history will hold him personally responsible for his government’s
actions.
· A bureaucracy can last for centuries and it morally deteriorates over time.
· Corrupt institutions virtually never revive. Corrupt kings can repent, or at the very least, die.
· Individuals often repent, bureaucracies rarely even express sorrow.
· Men under an evil King need change only one heart; those in a democracy can never change millions.
I thank God that good Christians fled religious persecution under European monarchies to come to America and create our great nation on solid Christian principles.
 

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What if the congress is full of 400+ cruel despots?
Then the devils in the democrat party have successfully seized illegal control of the US government and are doing everything in their power to destroy any godly influence from society.
 

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Then the devils in the democrat party have successfully seized illegal control of the US government and are doing everything in their power to destroy any godly influence from society.

What if it's completely controlled by 400+ cruel republican despots?
 

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Then the devils in the democrat party have successfully seized illegal control of the US government and are doing everything in their power to destroy any godly influence from society.
That wasn't the point.

Forget the current congress and just think about the question in terms of various forms of government.

The point is, which is easier to fix, one tyrant or four hundred?
 

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That wasn't the point.

Forget the current congress and just think about the question in terms of various forms of government.

The point is, which is easier to fix, one tyrant or four hundred?
No humans can fix a government illegally and immorally controlled by the devil and his deluded demonic servants. Only God can fix that problem, and He will be soon returning to earth to fix all the problems in all the world caused by the devil and his emissaries.
 

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No humans can fix a government illegally and immorally controlled by the devil and his deluded demonic servants. Only God can fix that problem, and He will be soon returning to earth to fix all the problems in all the world caused by the devil and his emissaries.
So then it makes no difference what form of government we have because "only God can fix it"! Might as well be fascist or communist or just a straight up dictatorship with a emperor king that rules by fiat.

What is the point of even discussing these issues if this is the depth you're capable of? How boring!
 
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