Calvinism: A declaration that God is Unjust and Jesus is a Failure

nikolai_42

nikolai_42

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Robert Pate said:
Calvinism is a man conceived religion that came out of the twisted mind of the tyrant John Calvin in the mid 1500"s.

Calvinism is self defeating. It requires that you believe things about God and his Son Jesus Christ that will damn you to hell. All through the Old Testament and into the New Testament, God's people are saved and justified by faith, Ephesians 2:8. The word "Faith" means to rely upon or to trust in. It is not humanly possible to have faith in a God that predestinates people to hell before they are born for no reason. Worse yet, It is not possible to have faith in a Christ that only atones for some sins, but not all sins. Calvinism makes Jesus Christ a failure and God an unjust, unmerciful sinner.

Man is a sinner without works. We don't have to sin to prove that we are sinners. We are born into sin, Romans 5:12. It is not our fault that we are sinners, its Adam's fault. But its our fault if we don't accept Christ as our savior. Calvinism does away with God's judgment. If God has already predestinated people to heaven and to hell then what good is a judgment? Calvinism is anti-Gospel and anti-Christ. Jesus claims to be the savior of the whole world, John 12:47. Salvation has been provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9. But nothing is ours until it is received by faith, John 1:12.
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A quote I like :

WHEREVER and whenever the doctrines of free grace and justification by faith have prevailed in the Christian church, and according to the degree of clearness with which they have been enforced, the practical duties of Christianity have flourished in the same proportion. Whenever they have declined, or been tempered with the reasonings and expedients of men, either from a well meant though mistaken fear lest they should be abused, or from a desire to accommodate the gospel, and render it more palatable to the depraved taste of the world, the consequence has always been an equal declension in practice. So long as the gospel of Christ is maintained without adulteration, it is found sufficient for every valuable purpose; but when the wisdom of man is permitted to add to the perfect work of God, a wide door is opened for innumerable mischiefs—Divine commands are made void, new inventions are continually taking place, zeal is diverted into a wrong channel, and the greatest stress laid upon things, either unnecessary or unwarrantable. Hence, perpetual occasion is given for strife, debates, and divisions, till at length the spirit of Christianity is forgot, and the power of godliness lost, amidst fierce contentions for the form.


The gospel is a wise and gracious dispensation, equally suited to the necessities of man and to the perfections of God. It proclaims relief to the miserable, and excludes none but those who exclude themselves. It convinces a sinner that he is unworthy of the smallest mercy, at the same time that it gives him a confidence to expect the greatest. It cuts off all pretense of glorying in the flesh, but it enables a guilty sinner to glory in God. To them that have no might, it increases strength; it gives eyes to the blind, and feet to the lame; subdues the enmity of the heart, shows the nature of sin, the spirituality and sanction of the law with the fullest evidence; and, by exhibiting Jesus as made of God, wisdom, righteousness, sanctification and redemption to all who believe, it makes obedience practicable, easy, and delightful.
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I won't attribute it (at the moment), but suffice it to say (and not too surprisingly) it isn't mine. I'm sure it can easily be found with a cursory search.
 
nikolai_42

nikolai_42

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And another quote I will leave unattributed (save for saying it wasn't me) :

They who avow the doctrines distinguished by the name of Calvinism, ought, if consistent with their own principles, to be the most gentle and forbearing of all men, in meekness instructing them that oppose. With us, it is a fundamental maxim, that a man can receive nothing but what is given him from heaven (John 3:27). If, therefore, it has pleased God to give us the knowledge of some truths, which are hidden from others, who have the same outward means of information; it is a just reason for thankfulness to him, but will not justify our being angry with them; for we are no better or wiser than they in ourselves, and might have opposed the truths which we now prize, with the same eagerness and obstinacy, if his grace had not made us to differ. If the man, mentioned in John 9, who was born blind, on whom our Lord graciously bestowed the blessing of sight, had taken a cudgel and beat all the blind men he met, because they would not see, his conduct would have greatly resembled that of an angry Calvinist.
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nikolai_42

nikolai_42

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Robert Pate said:
Paul said, "If our Gospel is hid, it is hid to them that are lost" 2 Corinthians 4:3. The lost are the religious that are trying to save themselves by the works of the law.
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Repeating part of the first quote I posted :

WHEREVER and whenever the doctrines of free grace and justification by faith have prevailed in the Christian church, and according to the degree of clearness with which they have been enforced, the practical duties of Christianity have flourished in the same proportion
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Robert Pate

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Robert Pate said:
Calvinism is a man conceived religion that came out of the twisted mind of the tyrant John Calvin in the mid 1500"s.

Calvinism is self defeating. It requires that you believe things about God and his Son Jesus Christ that will damn you to hell. All through the Old Testament and into the New Testament, God's people are saved and justified by faith, Ephesians 2:8. The word "Faith" means to rely upon or to trust in. It is not humanly possible to have faith in a God that predestinates people to hell before they are born for no reason. Worse yet, It is not possible to have faith in a Christ that only atones for some sins, but not all sins. Calvinism makes Jesus Christ a failure and God an unjust, unmerciful sinner.

Man is a sinner without works. We don't have to sin to prove that we are sinners. We are born into sin, Romans 5:12. It is not our fault that we are sinners, its Adam's fault. But its our fault if we don't accept Christ as our savior. Calvinism does away with God's judgment. If God has already predestinated people to heaven and to hell then what good is a judgment? Calvinism is anti-Gospel and anti-Christ. Jesus claims to be the savior of the whole world, John 12:47. Salvation has been provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9. But nothing is ours until it is received by faith, John 1:12.
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marke

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nikolai_42 said:
And that not of yourselves. What point are you trying to make?
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God judges humans on the basis of their response to His word under the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit. He does not use arbitrary or unjust judgment. Those who believe and receive the word of God will be given the power to become the sons of God. Those who reject God's light will be condemned.

John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
 
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