ECT Because of Adam’s transgression

[Cross Reference]

Because of Adam’s transgression, man was sealed to a vain life and there was nothing he could do about it. All that was left him were instructions by God on how to overrule it to avoid damnation/missing out on His blessings. These instructions came originally from God directly but later by way of the prophets of God who gave forth His Law that needed to be obeyed to make the promise by the keeping of it, effective. There was no other way, no other arrangement or option for man to consider. It would be either God’s way or the highway.

It was in Adam, who was purposely subjected to vanity to prove him and later confirmed to be the reason by the record of Cain. Vanity would be shown the greater power over man and revealed by God to be a sealed ‘spiritual’ entity that would continually seek to rule from within him, that man had to overcome.

One other effect that Adam’s transgression had upon man by Adam's removal from the garden and the Tree of Life, was that it kept God on the outside of him which made only vanity, the spirit of “Self” indwelling him with exception of it being overruled by the sovereignty of God that His pre-plan of redemption be furthered and His ultimate intention for having created man, come to fruition. This all should give better understanding-reasoning for why the need for the new birth from above. . Cross Reference

 

[oatmeal]

Because of Adam’s transgression, man was sealed to a vain life and there was nothing he could do about it. All that was left him were instructions by God on how to overrule it to avoid damnation. These instructions came originally from God directly but later by way of the prophets of God who gave forth His Law that needed to be obeyed to make the promise by the keeping of it, effective. There was no other way, no other arrangement or option for man to consider. It would be either God’s way or the highway.

It was in Adam, who was purposely subjected to vanity to prove him and later confirmed to be the reason by the record of Cain. Vanity would be shown the greater power over man and revealed by God to be a sealed ‘spiritual’ entity that would continually seek to rule from within him that man had to overcome.

One other effect that Adam’s transgression had upon man by Adam's removal from the garden and the Tree of Life, was that it kept God on the outside of him which made only vanity, the spirit of “Self” indwelling him with exception of it being overruled by God that His pre-plan of redemption be furthered and His ultimate intention for having created man, come to fruition. This all should give better understanding-reasoning for why the need for the new birth from above. . Cross Reference

Romans 8:19-23

God solved our self inflicted problems by the work of His dear son.

We simply need to learn to believe God's spiritual knowledge from scripture rather than the fives senses fluff we are so surrounded with

 

[Cross Reference]

If the OP is thought threw to a conclusion, one of them would explain why the churches and assemblies are what they are, religious social clubs steeped in the conceit of their own ideas of what is the grace of God. Quite a variety of them out there to choose from. For most it will come down to whatever one serves up the best chicken dinner.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Because of Adam’s transgression, man was sealed to a vain life and there was nothing he could do about it.

It is due to a person's own sin (and not Adam's sin) that results in a person becoming spiritually dead:

"But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death" (Jas.1:14-15).​

"What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death...For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord" (Ro.6:21,23).​

 

[Word based mystic]

It is due to a person's own sin (and not Adam's sin) that results in a person becoming spiritually dead:

"But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death" (Jas.1:14-15).​

"What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death...For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord" (Ro.6:21,23).​

i wouldn't quote those scriptures
CR does not believe that the wicked soul shall die.

He also will call you dishonest/liar if you believe those scriptures.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

i wouldn't quote those scriptures
CR does not believe that the wicked soul shall die.

He also will call you dishonest/liar if you believe those scriptures.

CR is totally confused on this subject, just like all those who have come to believe in the myth of "Original Sin."

 

[oatmeal]

If the OP is thought threw to a conclusion, one of them would explain why the churches and assemblies are what they are, religious social clubs steeped in the conceit of their own ideas of what is the grace of God. Quite a variety of them out there to choose from. For most it will come down to whatever one serves up the best chicken dinner.

Yes, that would seem to be the case in many instances.

A friend described her church experiences as: the sermons consisted of reading one or two verses then a sermon that had nothing to do with the verses read.

 

[Cross Reference]

Yes, that would seem to be the case in many instances.

A friend described her church experiences as: the sermons consisted of reading one or two verses then a sermon that had nothing to do with the verses read.

Some are more generous. They will read whole chapters. . . . and then ask for their pay check.

 

[chrysostom]

Because of Adam’s transgression

no one could be saved prior to what Jesus did

do you agree with that?

 

[Cross Reference]

Because of Adam’s transgression

no one could be saved prior to what Jesus did

do you agree with that?

I agree with what I wrote. Do you agree with it?

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Because of Adam’s transgression

no one could be saved prior to what Jesus did

do you agree with that?

No, a person becomes dead spiritually as a result of his own sins and not as a result of Adam's sin.

 

[Cross Reference]

I am suggesting in the OP that because of Adam's transgression, it wasn't a case of man becoming something he wasn't but rather something he couldn't become as designed for him by God.

Adam flunked his test of allegiance which eternally separated him from God's completed project, set in Himself, that man would live by His indwelling Life, in perfect union with the Godhead. This would all be put on hold until the "fullness of time" that would bring about the means by which man and God could be reconciled by His Grace. Up until that time man would be subjected to a hardfast 'rule' book by which he must live by or be completely destroyed without remedy..

I hope that helps bring some needed clarity.

 

[Word based mystic]

I am suggesting in the OP that because of Adam's transgression, it wasn't a case of man becoming something he wasn't but rather something he couldn't become as designed for him by God.

Adam flunked his test of allegiance which eternally separated him from God's completed project, set in Himself, that man would live by His indwelling Life, in perfect union with the Godhead. This would all be put on hold until the "fullness of time" that would bring about the means by which man and God could be reconciled by His Grace. Up until that time man would be subjected to a hardfast 'rule' book by

which he must live by or be completely destroyed without remedy..

it sure does

 

[ttruscott]

I am suggesting in the OP that because of Adam's transgression, it wasn't a case of man becoming something he wasn't but rather something he couldn't become as designed for him by God.

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"...something he couldn't become as designed for him.... "riiight; I don't think so.

EVERYONE had an equal and full opportunity and ability to become a child of GOD by accepting HIS deity and HIS promise of election by salvation from all sin.

Once someone chose by their free will to be evil in HIS sight, what we could not do was to be redeemed by our own actions, that is, we could not save ourselves so only those under the promise of HIS salvation by HIS gift of grace, can be saved...the rest of the sinners (goats) not under HIS promise of election are condemned already.

Peace, Ted

 

[Cross Reference]

"...something he couldn't become as designed for him.... "riiight; I don't think so.

EVERYONE had an equal and full opportunity and ability to become a child of GOD by accepting HIS deity and HIS promise of election by salvation from all sin.

Once someone chose by their free will to be evil in HIS sight, what we could not do was to be redeemed by our own actions, that is, we could not save ourselves so only those under the promise of HIS salvation by HIS gift of grace, can be saved...the rest of the sinners (goats) not under HIS promise of election are condemned already.

Peace, Ted

a child of God?? That's it????!! Is that what you think the OP is all about? Wow!!