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Allegory/Symbolism in Genesis 1

justatruthseeker

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Which leads to an allegorical understanding of Gen 1, since the omnipresent light is then separated from darkness.
Why? It doesn’t say the light was separated from the darkness. It says there was darkness and light was created…. An allegorical understanding would be to say the light was separated when clearly the light was created in the darkness where it never existed before…
 

Derf

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Why? It doesn’t say the light was separated from the darkness. It says there was darkness and light was created…. An allegorical understanding would be to say the light was separated when clearly the light was created in the darkness where it never existed before…
Genesis 1:4 (KJV) And God saw the light, that [it was] good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
 

justatruthseeker

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Genesis 1:4 (KJV) And God saw the light, that [it was] good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Because Jesus is good…. You don’t think he calls himself the light of the world for no reason do you?

So did God place darkness in one place and light in another? Or does darkness exist everywhere there is an absence of light?

“This is the first of several times in the creation account where God will pronounce what He has just made as "good." He made light, and He approved of it. Pointedly, God did not call the darkness good. In Hebrew philosophy, "light" was the ultimate ideal, and a symbol of wisdom, goodness, and knowledge. There is powerful symbolism in God's choice to create light among the darkness of the universe.

Here, God is said to have separated darkness and light. The two would exist in the world separately from each other, with light being the dominant force. To the extent that light appears, darkness will always disappear. Darkness has no defense against light, since "darkness" does not really exist, in and of itself. It is simply the absence of light.”
 

Derf

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Because Jesus is good…. You don’t think he calls himself the light of the world for no reason do you?

So did God place darkness in one place and light in another? Or does darkness exist everywhere there is an absence of light?

“This is the first of several times in the creation account where God will pronounce what He has just made as "good." He made light, and He approved of it. Pointedly, God did not call the darkness good. In Hebrew philosophy, "light" was the ultimate ideal, and a symbol of wisdom, goodness, and knowledge. There is powerful symbolism in God's choice to create light among the darkness of the universe.

Here, God is said to have separated darkness and light. The two would exist in the world separately from each other, with light being the dominant force. To the extent that light appears, darkness will always disappear. Darkness has no defense against light, since "darkness" does not really exist, in and of itself. It is simply the absence of light.”
So you would advocate for the symbolical view of Gen 1, right?
 

justatruthseeker

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So you would advocate for the symbolical view of Gen 1, right?
There’s nothing symbolic about God creating His son who literally lit up the world in the darkness before the sun and stars were created on day 4.

Just because you think the turning of the world which causes a dividing between the day and night (light and darkness) instead means some magical separation of light from out of darkness is not my problem. The evening and the morning became one day. Stop being allegorical and take it literally….
 

justatruthseeker

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And we might add that whatever the darkness was it wasn’t just night as we know it because it was “upon” the surface of the deep (the then watery unformed earth), nothing is mentioned of it existing throughout the heavens….
 

Derf

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There’s nothing symbolic about God creating His son who literally lit up the world in the darkness before the sun and stars were created on day 4.

Just because you think the turning of the world which causes a dividing between the day and night (light and darkness) instead means some magical separation of light from out of darkness is not my problem. The evening and the morning became one day. Stop being allegorical and take it literally….
Take it literally that the Son wasn't with the Father before the world began? Take it literally that there were waters before the one who created the waters was created?

Genesis 1:2-3 (KJV) 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

On whose authority? Certainly not what we read in Genesis.
 

justatruthseeker

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Take it literally that the Son wasn't with the Father before the world began? Take it literally that there were waters before the one who created the waters was created?

Genesis 1:2-3 (KJV) 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

On whose authority? Certainly not what we read in Genesis.
Stop confusing the Son with the Father….

“And to us there is one God…. The Father”

God did say “let there be light”

And Jesus said he was the light of the world and the only begotten son of the Father…
 

Right Divider

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The only complete thing God created….
Col 1:14-20 (AKJV/PCE)
(1:14) In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins: (1:15) Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: (1:16) For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: (1:17) And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. (1:18) And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence. (1:19) For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell; (1:20) And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.
 

Derf

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Stop confusing the Son with the Father….

“And to us there is one God…. The Father”

God did say “let there be light”

And Jesus said he was the light of the world and the only begotten son of the Father…
And He was in the beginning with God, and He was God.
[Jhn 1:1-3 KJV] 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Was water made? Yet you have God's Son made AFTER the water, so He must not have made the water.
[Gen 1:2-3 KJV] 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Was light made? Gen 1:3 said it was, so by John 1:3, The Word (Jesus Christ) must have made the light, yet you say He was the light and was made. Do you believe what the bible says?
 

Clete

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True, he is pure energy, mind, thought…
"Pure Energy"?

Terrific 1980s song! The "pure energy" line is a sample of something Spock said in the Star Trek episode "Errand of Mercy" (S1 E26) (Click the link above to hear the song!)

That too would depend on just what you mean by "energy", which can actually get quite complicated and surprisingly philosophical. If you're talking about the sort of energy that is talked about in physics then that isn't correct. The sort of energy that can be converted to or from mass is part of God's creation and is not God Himself. Potential energy that you get by working against something like a spring or gravity, like when you wind a watch or reset the weights in a grandfather clock, is all a result of forces that come as a result of God's creation and are not God Himself. That sort of thing is simply action and reaction. It's just physics and is associated with the created order, not the creator Himself.
 
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