I stated that the methods incurring the death of the fetus are obviously different.
What's the point you're implying by claiming the distinction?
Against abortion and against person-hood?
- Thread starter Delmar
- Start date
I stated that the methods incurring the death of the fetus are obviously different.
What's the point you're implying by claiming the distinction?
So?
glassjester
Well-known member
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
so if we have the opportunity to stop deaths by criminal behavior, we should.
just like we should act to prevent deaths by natural causes when we can
It can be a crime, though not necessarily so.
It's technically the killing of one human by another. As in the case of abortion.
Murder is what you're looking for...and explicitly not applicable to the issue of abortion.
This presupposes that abortion is a crime. Can you support this presupposition?
Agreed...abortion especially. But in doing so established rights and liberties must persevere.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
i didn't say "abortion"
i said "deaths"
do you agree that an abortion is the ending of a human life?
Whose? Yours? The baby's?
If someone would like to murder you, should we leave it up to them to decide what's right? :freak: Ex 20:13
And you're not arguing that those "deaths" are referring to abortion?
I have....repeatedly. Moreover, I'm debating the significance of the claim.
If someone were murdering you, would you consider it a crime? Pr 8:36
Not if I reside within a womb.
Mom's
No. :idunno:
I'm definitely against abortion for frivolous reasons. There's only one reason where I would change my mind and that would be if the Mothers life were definitely at risk. I experienced that scenario myself 40 years ago when my Son was born. My wife was giving birth and the nurse came out and told me that her blood pressure was dangerously high. I wasn't offered the choice to abort however, my concern was with my wife's welfare over the birth of my Son. Thank God my Son was born healthy and my wife made it through the process.
Other than that particular reason I am anti-abortion 100%. I was only 25 years old at the time and had met my former wife in High School. We divorced after 12 years of marriage however, I never remarried. I choose to go out of this world being the Husband of one wife. I'm now 65 years old and my ex-Wife and I are best of friends. My Son is married and gave myself and my ex 2 excellent Grand Children, one boy, and one Girl. They are both cute as a bug.
Other than that particular reason I am anti-abortion 100%. I was only 25 years old at the time and had met my former wife in High School. We divorced after 12 years of marriage however, I never remarried. I choose to go out of this world being the Husband of one wife. I'm now 65 years old and my ex-Wife and I are best of friends. My Son is married and gave myself and my ex 2 excellent Grand Children, one boy, and one Girl. They are both cute as a bug.
glassjester
Well-known member
Why is it ok to kill a human, in the case of abortion?
Our laws and social morality allow us to end/deny a human life under certain circumstances...abortion is one of them.
I've had debates on this very subject with others here that actually hold a rational pro-life approach...I have a feeling you're not one of them so, I won't waste my time.
glassjester
Well-known member
Are you saying that if they'd "given you the option," you would have told the doctors to kill your son, as he was being born? How would that have even helped?
Would that even be considered abortion?
glassjester
Well-known member
Yes, I understand. I am asking why abortion is "one of them."
It's funny how you irrationally (ie, "I have a feeling") call me irrational.
What have I said that's irrational? Be specific.
Here's a question: What's the best pro-life argument you've heard, and why do you disagree with it?
A mother's womb should be the safest place in America--not the most dangerous place for a child. Pr 31:8
The mother's rights? What if her neighbor would like to murder her? What about his rights? :freak:
You, child killer, should be protected but an innocent baby should not (Pr 23:7, 2 Tim. 3:2, Phil. 2:21).
I didn't say you were irrational. At least not yet...your approach may be questionable though.
TH has a rational approach...though mere rationality may not solve the complex issue of abortion. Feel free to read our discussion in this very thread.
Where does that come from? From 60-80% of fetuses never see fruition...naturally.
If the mother is inside their womb....the neighbor has every right. To the less absurd, the neighbor has every right to refuse giving the mother his blood, even if in doing so the mother perishes - if he deems so.
Sure, it's protected...just not at the expense of mother's established rights. Simple really, you just need to get over that knee-jerk, emotional hurdle you've so stubbornly clung to. :idunno:
glassjester
Well-known member
Has he made the best pro-life argument that you've heard?
Could you briefly explain his argument for being pro-life?
PureX
Well-known member
No, it's not. Because it's not a fact that a developing fetus is an "innocent human". In fact, the whole idea of an "innocent human" is completely subjective.
No, I do not.
No, we do not.
We do currently decide which humans are to be afforded a right to life and which are not. And yet we have not denied the existence of human rights, completely, or even mostly. Such an assertion is absurd even on the face of it. Though it's a typical comment from extremists, who can't cognate reality any other way but in terms of the most absurd extremes.