ECT About Hebrews' warning: Do not draw back to perdition

ZacharyB

Active member
The distinguished author of Hebrews gives 5 big-time warnings to born-again brethren
(and back in those days, many/most of them were also baptized with the Holy Spirit).
One of the 5 warnings is this intreging passage …

Hebrews 10 (NKJV):
19 Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus,
22 let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts
sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.
23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering,
for He who promised is faithful.
26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth,
there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation
which will devour the adversaries.
28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony
of two or three witnesses.
29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy
who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant
by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay”, says the Lord.
And again, “The LORD will judge His people.”
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
34 … knowing that you have a better and an enduring possession
for yourselves in heaven.
35 Therefore do not cast away your confidence, which has great reward.
36 For you have need of endurance, so that after you have done the will of God,
you may receive the promise:
37 “For yet a little while, and He who is coming will come and will not tarry.
38 Now the just shall live by faith; but if anyone draws back, My soul has no pleasure in him.”
39 But we are not of those who draw back to perdition,
but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.


First, let us consider the last part of “the promise” (v.36) to the brethren,
which is … If anyone “draws back”, God has no pleasure in him (v.38).
Then in v.39, the writer talks about those who draw back to perdition (hell).
Therefore, we should consider what it means to draw back.

The writer tells us the opposite of falling back is:
• to draw near with a true heart (v.22)
• to hold fast your confession (of faith) without wavering (v.23)
• to not sin willfully (v.26)
• to not cast away your confidence (v.35)
• to endure (v.36)
• to do the will of God (v.36)
• to live by faith (v.38)

If you draw back from something, you first must have that something!
In this case, if you have something that keeps you out of hell,
and you choose to draw back from it, then you’re on your way to hell again!

And BTW, the writer really has NO idea who might draw back (fall away)!
He is simply following the Pauline method of encouraging, exhorting, etc.
He is saying that some brethren (somewhere) draw back (fall away),
but not these wonderful brethren to whom he is writing. Nonsense!
As with Paul, the method is to give warnings which are tactfully veiled,
and it is up to the Holy Spirit to reveal spiritual Truth to those who are open.

“God has promised to reward us. But we must persevere, and we
must continue to do the will of God with perseverance until the end;
otherwise we shall lose our reward. We shall lose what He has
promised … Therefore, let us not shrink back. Because if we do,
we will not only lose our reward (v.36); we will also be destroyed
(see Mark 8:35, Mark 13:13, Luke 21:19).”

(The Applied NT Commentary, Dr. Thomas Holt, Spirit-filled missionary)
 
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Danoh

New member
You are not of those who draw back then.....they's the other bunch who received not the promise

The promise in Hebrews was preached in Early Acts. Acts 2 and 3, for example.

What happened at that Pentecost having been a foretaste of Israel's "world to come."

The Hebrews writer is talking about those who had been witness to that foretaste but rejected it's call. This was similar to how those who the Lord fed came back for more but did not want to follow Him.

They wanted to have the cake without also submitting themselves to its Kingdom's conditions.

These are who are being addressed as drawing away. There will come a point where Israel's offer of pardon via the Cross will be withdrawn and there would then be wrath.

Likewise during Israel's day one day once more at some point after the Body's Pre-Trib Rapture (that you do not hold to).

Hebrews is a Tribulation Epistle to - guess who - "the Hebrews." It is THEIR version of Romans.
 

ZacharyB

Active member
Likewise during Israel's day one day once more at some point
after the Body's Pre-Trib Rapture (that you do not hold to).
I warn ... you will go through the very heavy-duty persecution of Christians!
The pre-tribulation rapture doctrine is from the very pits of hell.

If you do not endure to the end, you will lose any salvation that you may have previously had.
And ditto for later ...
If you take the mark of the beast, you will lose any salvation that you may have previously had.
 

Interplanner

Well-known member
I warn ... you will go through the very heavy-duty persecution of Christians!
The pre-tribulation rapture doctrine is from the very pits of hell.

If you do not endure to the end, you will lose any salvation that you may have previously had.
And ditto for later ...
If you take the mark of the beast, you will lose any salvation that you may have previously had.


Yes, a person must persist because Christ has won their heart over all other things, but it does not just pit itself against certain events in a tribulation. There has been tribulation all through church history, some of it unbearable. Mt 24A is about events in 1st century Judea, but there is a harrassment of the church that will take place before the NHNE.
 

ZacharyB

Active member
Mt 24A is about events in 1st century Judea, but there is a harrassment of the church that will take place before the NHNE.
Just about all biblical prophecy is of a dual nature.
Many prophecies about the Israelites in the OT came true for them,
and will also happen to Christian believers in the last days.
This especially applies to the prophetical warnings.
 

Interplanner

Well-known member
The distinguished author of Hebrews gives 5 big-time warnings to born-again brethren
(and back in those days, many/most of them were also baptized with the Holy Spirit).
One of the 5 warnings is this intreging passage …

Hebrews 10 (NKJV):
19 Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus,
22 let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts
sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.
23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering,
for He who promised is faithful.
26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth,
there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation
which will devour the adversaries.
28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony
of two or three witnesses.
29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy
who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant
by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay”, says the Lord.
And again, “The LORD will judge His people.”
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
34 … knowing that you have a better and an enduring possession
for yourselves in heaven.
35 Therefore do not cast away your confidence, which has great reward.
36 For you have need of endurance, so that after you have done the will of God,
you may receive the promise:
37 “For yet a little while, and He who is coming will come and will not tarry.
38 Now the just shall live by faith; but if anyone draws back, My soul has no pleasure in him.”
39 But we are not of those who draw back to perdition,
but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.


First, let us consider the last part of “the promise” (v.36) to the brethren,
which is … If anyone “draws back”, God has no pleasure in him (v.38).
Then in v.39, the writer talks about those who draw back to perdition (hell).
Therefore, we should consider what it means to draw back.

The writer tells us the opposite of falling back is:
• to draw near with a true heart (v.22)
• to hold fast your confession (of faith) without wavering (v.23)
• to not sin willfully (v.26)
• to not cast away your confidence (v.35)
• to endure (v.36)
• to do the will of God (v.36)
• to live by faith (v.38)

If you draw back from something, you first must have that something!
In this case, if you have something that keeps you out of hell,
and you choose to draw back from it, then you’re on your way to hell again!

And BTW, the writer really has NO idea who might draw back (fall away)!
He is simply following the Pauline method of encouraging, exhorting, etc.
He is saying that some brethren (somewhere) draw back (fall away),
but not these wonderful brethren to whom he is writing. Nonsense!
As with Paul, the method is to give warnings which are tactfully veiled,
and it is up to the Holy Spirit to reveal spiritual Truth to those who are open.

“God has promised to reward us. But we must persevere, and we
must continue to do the will of God with perseverance until the end;
otherwise we shall lose our reward. We shall lose what He has
promised … Therefore, let us not shrink back. Because if we do,
we will not only lose our reward (v.36); we will also be destroyed
(see Mark 8:35, Mark 13:13, Luke 21:19).”

(The Applied NT Commentary, Dr. Thomas Holt, Spirit-filled missionary)



Zach,
this ch 10 material is a bit more specific than you are thinking. He is contrasting the warnings in the Law with the warnings of Christ because that 1st generation of Judaism after Christ had specific things to respond to. The 'rebellion that desolates' (Dan 8) was forming and the 'man of perdition' (dan 8) was about to ruin Israel. Those in Judaism had to decide between old and new covenants very soon. So while the warning is among the most serious in the NT, it is also the most specific. That's why this was a letter to the Hebrews.
 

Interplanner

Well-known member
Just about all biblical prophecy is of a dual nature.
Many prophecies about the Israelites in the OT came true for them,
and will also happen to Christian believers in the last days.
This especially applies to the prophetical warnings.


There isn't anything specific about Israel that matters to Christians before the 2nd coming. When Rev 20 says that the released deceiver is harassing the church, it is everywhere the church is. But then it is overthrown by the coming. These things are not similar to 1st century Judea; the Christians left Judea when the rebellion peaked. They then helped grow churches where they relocated, many of them in 'little Asia.'
 

ZacharyB

Active member
IP,
'Tis so wonderful dat you know everything, and not open to anything else!
Keep up the good work ... you're going far indeed.
 

Interplanner

Well-known member
Zach,
I'm sorry if I come across as 'knowing everything,' but what I mean is that after several years of looking, I don't find the NT oriented that way. The generation of Christ in Israel was entirely decisive and the judgement of the whole world was expected right after. There are so many places where Paul speaks of things that way (even about marriage, I Cor 7) that he couldn't possibly have had the conceptions that are popular today.

In the movie, THE EXPERIMENTOR, there is the social experiment about something up in the sky. The experimentor 'planted' just enough people in a crowd who complied so that when the trigger person gasped and verbalized about something in the sky, 50 people (in a crowded area) would look too. That is how pop eschatology (the 2P2P idea of things happening in modern Israel) strikes me. Everywhere you go in the NT, it is clear that nothing depends upon things happening in a theocracy in modern Israel. The judgement of God? Yes, but not attached to or involved in events in the middle east.
 

ZacharyB

Active member
Zach,
I'm sorry if I come across as 'knowing everything,' ...
IP,
I'm sorry if I come across as not understanding what you're talkin' about.
Butski, this definitely is the case.
I'ze makin' plans to start kindergarden all over again,
and try to progress up through the ranks.
 

Danoh

New member
Yes, a person must persist because Christ has won their heart over all other things, but it does not just pit itself against certain events in a tribulation. There has been tribulation all through church history, some of it unbearable. Mt 24A is about events in 1st century Judea, but there is a harrassment of the church that will take place before the NHNE.

Interplanner - ever the Partial Preterist - ever "doing the history" - ever looking in the physical for TALL TALE "signs" of an issue the Partial Preterist "spiritualizes" into lies...

Lol, he then shuts his eyes that he might mock his close cousin in this same mistake; the Acts 2 Dispy.

Think I'll remain M.A.D....
 

Grosnick Marowbe

New member
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The distinguished author of Hebrews gives 5 big-time warnings to born-again brethren
(and back in those days, many/most of them were also baptized with the Holy Spirit).
One of the 5 warnings is this intreging passage …

The book of Hebrews was written to the Hebrew believers. It pertained to them and not to the Gentile "Grace believers" who Paul was sent to. You cannot use Hebrews to make a point about Gentile believers.
 
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