Abortion///cont.

[glassjester]

Because it's strongly emphasized in the pro-life position. What greater method than to show its failures by way of?

Emotional appeals will lead to irrational conclusions.

 

[quip]

If we act as though 100 infants hidden to us are less valuable than one we can hold we have dehumanized the 100 through an abstraction, a distance created by the mirage of senses against our better reason.

If indeed you need to assert dehumanization by default...then you must first reconcile this with your sense of moral intuition.

 

[quip]

Emotional appeals will lead to irrational conclusions.

QED

 

[glassjester]

QED

Where did I appeal to emotion?

 

[quip]

Reason did not fail, Quip.

Did you not naturally choose the infant; do you still see unborn as equal?
Something must give...in your case it must be reason.

 

[quip]

Where did I appeal to emotion?

By being pro-life.

 

[glassjester]

Did you not naturally choose the infant; do you still see unborn as equal?
Something must give...in your case it must be reason.

I chose the infant???

 

[glassjester]

By being pro-life.

I don't understand how that, in and of itself, is an emotional appeal.

 

[quip]

I don't understand how that, in and of itself, is an emotional appeal.

Hence, the hypothetical. It's the same visceral motivation you're employing for denying what it reveals.

 

[glassjester]

Hence, the hypothetical. It's the same visceral motivation you're employing for denying what it reveals.

It would be beneficial to the discussion if you could point out exactly where I appealed to mere emotion.

As of now, your argument seems to be, "My emotional appeal is better than yours!"

 

[quip]

It would be beneficial to the discussion if you could point out exactly where I appealed to mere emotion.

As of now, your argument seems to be, "My emotional appeal is better than yours!"

The facts show that you lack any rational nor practical method of demonstrating why you believe that the unborn are equal to the post-born. Your moral intuition is forced to concur. That leaves a pure and isolated appeal to emotion for maintaining the pro-life stance.

 

[glassjester]

The facts show that you lack any rational nor practical method of demonstrating why you believe that the unborn are equal to the post-born. Your moral intuition is forced to concur. That leaves a pure and isolated appeal to emotion for maintaining the pro-life stance.

Both the born and unborn are equally human. A human baby is the same organism and entity the day before it's born, as it is the day after it's born. Therefore their lives have equal value.

How is that irrational?

 

[quip]

Both the born and unborn are equally human. A human baby is the same organism and entity the day before it's born, as it is the day after it's born. Therefore their lives have equal value.

How is that irrational?

Prima facie it's quite rational. Under examination it fails the test.

 

[glassjester]

Prima facie it's quite rational. Under examination it fails the test.

Only if by "examination" you mean your appeals to emotion.

 

[ok doser]

...one must first hyper-humanize the fetus...

recognizing that the fetus is a human life is "hyper-humanizing the fetus"? :freak:

 

[quip]

Only if by "examination" you mean your appeals to emotion.

On the contrary. My appeals could be considered cold and hard to swallow, dispassionate logic.

By my own standards, no less.

 

[glassjester]

On the contrary. My appeals could be considered cold and hard to swallow, dispassionate logic.

By my own standards, no less.

Quip... when you appeal to subjective intuition and to popularity (asking what the majority would do), it just ain't logic.

:nono:

 

[quip]

Quip... when you appeal to subjective intuition and to authority (asking what the majority would do), it just ain't logic.

:nono:

The question was simply rhetorical.

It's fact that to not pick the infant would be morally unconscionable.

 

[glassjester]

It's fact that to not pick the infant would be morally unconscionable.

Prove it by reason.

 

[quip]

Prove it by reason.

I did by illustrating it's right to protection by contrast to the embryos...by a 100X factor.