Abortion///cont.

[Lon]

If so, then this partcular point remains entirely irrelevant to you. Keep up the good fight. :up:

AND to you! That is my point. The day you say 'Yes, someone is alive because I exist on the planet' I'd think you can speak about what it means to be pro-life having at least participated. At what point are we 'excused?' Just one? I would THINK, one wouldn't be first to cast the first 'not pro-life' stone if they are in no way pro-life themselves. How pro-life does one have to be to actually 'be' pro-life? What is the standard? Why is it "the" standard? (sorry for asking yet again). -Lon

 

[glassjester]

If so, then this partcular point remains entirely irrelevant to you. Keep up the good fight. :up:

Such flawed reasoning.

I assume you are against mugging. By your logic - you are disingenuous in your stance against mugging, unless you actively prevent muggings from taking place.

Must you actively prevent a mugging in order to recognize that it is morally wrong?

 

[quip]

Abortion is murder.

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Lol. Indeed.
Congrats! Anything more to add...or are you content now?

 

[glassjester]

And I proceeded to give you (a seemingly) obvious moral example....which you've neither admitted to as being a moral exception nor gave argument to it remaining immoral.
Pick one and run with it!

Do you not see that I am already trying to discuss your example with you?

My question (what medical condition necessitates an abortion) is part of the discussion. Care to continue discussing?

 

[Stripe]

Are you content now?

What does this have to do with me? :idunno:

You asked questions, I answered them.

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[quip]

AND to you! That is my point. The day you say 'Yes, someone is alive because I exist on the planet' I'd think you can speak about what it means to be pro-life having at least participated. At what point are we 'excused?' Just one? I would THINK, one wouldn't be first to cast the first 'not pro-life' stone if they are in no way pro-life themselves. How pro-life does one have to be to actually 'be' pro-life? What is the standard? Why is it "the" standard? (sorry for asking yet again). -Lon

Well, to save a life (if that's what you were referring to.) Is a rather high standard. I certainly cannot attest to directly savings one's life (perhaps, in indirect ways I'll never witness.)

The difference I'm exposing is soapbox idealism vs getting your hands dirty...a genuine reverence for life vs a political agenda. Many (not all) take the pro-life banner for the latter purpose.

 

[quip]

What does this have to do with me? :idunno:

You asked questions, I answered them.

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Are you content with your anti-abortion declaration or not?

 

[quip]

Do you not see that I am already trying to discuss your example with you?

My question (what medical condition necessitates an abortion) is part of the discussion. Care to continue discussing?

No, you're dodging it. One or the other...moral or immoral?

 

[glassjester]

No, you're dodging it. One or the other...moral or immoral?

Please provide an example of how an abortion might save a woman's life.


I'm dodging nothing. I'm trying (over and over) to directly address your question.

 

[Stripe]

Are you content with your anti-abortion declaration or not?

You're an idiot.

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[ok doser]

You're an idiot.

he's a troll

 

[quip]

You're an idiot.

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You're just full of declarations today!
Don't strain yourself.

 

[glassjester]

he's a troll

I am starting to think so.

 

[quip]

he's a troll

ROFL
Rich....on my own thread, no less!

 

[Eagles Wings]

Well, to save a life (if that's what you were referring to.) Is a rather high standard. I certainly cannot attest to directly savings one's life (perhaps, in indirect ways I'll never witness.)

The difference I'm exposing is soapbox idealism vs getting your hands dirty...a genuine reverence for life vs a political agenda. Many (not all) take the pro-life banner for the latter purpose.

Having a reverence for life does not preclude a political agenda as well.

I personally have a strong distaste for the politics involved in protecting the preborn, which is why our financial support goes only to non-political pro-life organizations. For example:

https://prolifeacrossamerica.org/

http://www.rachelsvineyard.org/

http://www.silentnomoreawareness.org/

 

[Lon]

Are you content with your anti-abortion declaration or not?

Why should the fetus retain rights at the cost of its host's rights?

Some rights are abrogated by a greater need. I don't have the right to keep the fire department from saving a life on my property.
Policemen can 'rightfully' shoot me if I have a gun trying to keep the fire department from saving a life on my property.

I 'think' there are needful implications for this discussion... :think:

 

[quip]

Some rights are abrogated by a greater need. I don't have the right to keep the fire department from saving a life on my property.
Policemen can 'rightfully' shoot me if I have a gun trying to keep the fire department from saving a life on my property.

I 'think' there are needful implications for this discussion... :think:

I agree, though are your exceptions more requisite than a woman's seeking abortion?

 

[glassjester]

I don't have the right to keep the fire department from saving a life on my property.

Good example

 

[Stripe]

There's no legal precedent that a fetus entertains the same level of protection to that of birthed individuals.

Sure there is.

"You shall not murder."

Why should the fetus retain rights at the cost of its host's rights?

Because murder is wrong.

Connect that declaration to abortion.

Abortion is murder.

Are you content with your anti-abortion declaration?

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[quip]

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And?