ECT A "Theologically Incorrect" View of the Fourth Beast of Daniel 7: 3-8

northwye

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A "Theologically Incorrect" View of the Fourth Beast of Daniel 7: 3-8

Daniel 7: 3-8: "And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

4. The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

5. And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

6. After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

7. After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

8. I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things."

The four beast empires of Daniel 7: 3-7 do not represent a repeat of the four pre-Cross empires seen as the statute dream of Daniel 2: 38-45, which are Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome. Why would God have Daniel repeat in Chapter Seven what was given him for Chapter Two?

The four beast empires in Daniel 7 are post-Cross empires, representing four world empires, the lion, as England, the bear as Russia or the Old Soviet Union, the leopard, as Nazi Germany and last, the fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly.

The Diverse 4th Beast dreadful and terrible. can be seen to be a combination of the three earlier beast empires, the British Empire, the Old Soviet Union and Nazi Germany. The combination of the three earlier empires making up the U.S. National Security State happened at the end of World War II.

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/national-security-act

"National Security Act of 1947

The National Security Act of 1947 mandated a major reorganization of the foreign policy and military establishments of the U.S. Government. The act created many of the institutions that Presidents found useful when formulating and implementing foreign policy, including the National Security Council (NSC)."

"President signing the National Security Act into Law
The Council itself included the President, Vice President, Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, and other members (such as the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency), who met at the White House to discuss both long-term problems and more immediate national security crises."

.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

"Operation Paperclip was the United States Office of Strategic Services (OSS) program in which more than 1,500 German scientists, engineers, and technicians (many of whom were formerly registered members of the Nazi Party and some of whom had leadership roles in the Nazi Party) were recruited and brought to the United States for government employment from post-Nazi Germany (after World War II).[1][2] The primary purpose for Operation Paperclip was for the U.S. to gain a scientific and military advantage in the burgeoning Cold War, and later Space Race, between the U.S. and Soviet Union."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency#History

"Lawrence Houston, head counsel of the SSU, CIG, and, later CIA, was principal draftsman of the National Security Act of 1947,[45][46] which dissolved the NIA and the CIG, and established both the National Security Council and the Central Intelligence Agency.[44][47] In 1949 Houston helped to draft the Central Intelligence Agency Act (Public law 81-110), which authorized the agency to use confidential fiscal and administrative procedures, and exempted it from most limitations on the use of Federal funds. It also exempted the CIA from having to disclose its "organization, functions, officials, titles, salaries, or numbers of personnel employed."

The Old World War II Office of Strategic Services (OSS) was replaced by the CIA and other intelligence agencies in the National Security Act of 1947 and beyond. Remember that the CIA right after World War II brought in many former Nazi intelligence operatives.

A friend of mine posted this on the Internet yesterday: "The point I'm making here is that all the Beast organizations and institutions came out of this 1947/48 period of world history.........The point of this post is the organization we know today as the CIA. The Central Intelligence Agency was spawned from the results of Operation Paper Clip and the Leopard, Nazi, SS actually coming to the United States and out of that transition the CIA was formed.......".

"The Diverse 4th Beast dreadful and terrible only rules the earth for a determined period of time. Is it's rule coming to an end now? We don't know, but we are admonished to pay attention to the times."

What he is talking about is the opposition to the international ruling elite and their plan for a world government, using forms of Transformational Marxism, and recently the Islamic ISIS Jihad, which opposition is seen in an explicit form in the Brexit vote to pull England out of the European Union and the American election of Trump.

Does this populist and nationalist opposition spell the end of the power of that Fourth Beast of Daniel 7: 7, dreadful, and terrible, and exceedingly strong. Does this opposition by the forces of populism and nationalism to the New World Order run from the U.S. spell the end of the U.S. National Security State being used by the international ruling elite to form a totalitarian world government. It may mean the end of the use of the U.S. as the base for creating a totalitarian world government and perhaps an attempt to use some other nation or set of nations in the Trump era.

Could the U.S. join with Russia and England to oppose the agenda of the international financial and corporate ruling elite?

Note that Daniel 7: 8 is included above with the statement on the four beast empires. Daniel 7: 8 is about the Little Horn nation which comes up at about the time of the Fourth Beast empire, or in the time period right after the end of World War II, 1947-1948. What then will be the role of the Little Horn nation in the Trump era?
 
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northwye

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"I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things." Daniel 7: 8 The Little Horn nation has a mouth speaking great things.

What about the fourth beast, diverse from the others, exceedingly dreadful? "Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;" Daniel 7: 19

"Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces." Daniel 7: 23

"But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
27. And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him." Daniel 7: 26-27

Does Daniel 7: 26-27, the taking away of the dominion of the fourth diverse beast empire, dreadful and terrible by the people of the saints of the Most High occur only at the second appearance of Christ, or does this began to occur even before Christ appears? That is, is the rule of the fourth beast empire of Daniel 7: 7 taken away by the people of the saints of the Most High sometime in the end times ? It could be that the complete fulfillment of Daniel 7: 26-27 awaits the return of Jesus Christ himself. But the beginning of the fulfillment of the taking away of the dominion of the fourth beast happens before Christ appears, in the sense that the fourth beast's role in bringing about a totalitarian world government is diminished. Some other beast or nation or nations might be used to work toward that goal by a ruling elite.
 

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Hal Lindsey and other dispensationalists have taught that Gog in Ezekiel 38-39 is Russia. Are the dispensationalists going to continue with this identification of Russia as Gog even if the U.S. under Trump becomes allied with Russia in opposing the New World order and its use of ISIS?

http://www.joelstrumpet.com/?p=3974

If the Christian Zionists insist that the Ezekiel 38-39 invasion of the nation that calls itself Israel is literal, then at the time Ezekiel was writing it looks like the land of Magog was western Turkey, not Russia. Gog could have been a real man in Western Turkey or partly real and partly fiction like some other legendary figures in ancient history.

Christian Zionists insist that the word Israel applies only to Old Covenant Israel, or what is called the children of the flesh in Romans 9: 8, who are said there not to be the children of God. And in I Corinthians 10: 18 Paul refers to "Israel after the flesh," meaning Israel of the Old Covenant and of the bloodline (Genesis 17: 6-10).

Christian Zionists see no problem in interpreting Ezekiel 38-39 as an Old Testament prophecy about a literal, physical military action in the time of the New Covenant. To them, the New Covenant has not changed the way Ezekiel 38-39 is interpreted. To them, somehow the Old Covenant still exists.

Seeing the Ezekiel 38-39 prophecy as being a literal invasion of the nation called Israel by Russia and allies in our time as Hal Lindsey has done, makes the nation of Israel the people of God at this time.

This is exactly what the Christian Zionists are delighted to do - make the nation of Israel into God's people - because their theology begins from a presupposition or assumption that Old Covenant Israel, its multitude, is now one of God's two peoples, Old Covenant Israel and the Capital C Church, which is seen by them to be the Body of Christ.

But in agreement with New Testament scriptures such as Romans 2: 28-29, Romans 9: 6-8, Galatians 3, etc, and Revelation 3: 9, in the New Covenant. the Gog-Magog prophecy would be an opposition by the false prophets against the Truth and not a literal invasion of the Little Horn nation in the Middle East.
 
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