A Peculiar Kind of Gospel

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godrulz

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Originally posted by Sozo

It is impossible to be a Christian and believe that salvation can be lost or forfeited.

I absolutely do not want to slander/libel you.

This is your statement (Post 436) that I am taking to its logical conclusion. Please revise or clarify it for us dumbells.

It sounds to me like you are saying that if a person believes that salvation can be lost or forfeited (I use Hebrews, Judas, and Charles Templeton as examples), then it is impossible for one believing that idea to be a true Christian.

What does your sentence really mean and why do you believe it? My point is that hundreds of millions of 'Arminians' in the Body of Christ do not hold to the typically Calvinistic OSAS.

I am sincere in my inquiry and will apologize if I misrepresent your views. Please clarify or insult me again and ignore me as a hopeless cause in the future (do not waste your time or mine).

I fully affirm our security in Christ. We can know we have eternal life because we are in Him. I just think it is possible for some fools to return back to the type/shadow/Judaism or Satanism or plain old godless selfishness. Then they are no longer in Christ and the security promises do not apply.
 
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OMEGA

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godrulsz

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That's it Godrulz, Stick to your Guns, Stiff upper Lip and all that !
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Sozo may be Right but he is going to have a hell of a time

trying to get into the Kingdom.

I want to see the look on his Face when Jesus asks him why

he offended you ?

Mt 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones

which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were

hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned

in the depth of the sea.

Mt 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels,

and they shall gather out of his kingdom

all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
 
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Lighthouse

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Originally posted by OMEGA

That's it Godrulz, Stick to your Guns, Stiff upper Lip and all that !

Sozo may be Right but he is going to have a hell of a time

trying to get into the Kingdom.

I want to see the look on his Face when Jesus asks him why

he offended you ?

Mt 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones

which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were

hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned

in the depth of the sea.
You do realize that this is talking about children, don't you? And it isn't talking about the kind of offending that Sozo is doing, either.

Mt 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels,

and they shall gather out of his kingdom

all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
And this is about those who offend God. godrulz is not God.
 

OMEGA

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shine

shine

Lighthouse and SOZO,

IF you were spiritually minded, you would understand.

But you do not, as usual.

Mat18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

7 ¶ Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
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39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
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Those that do Right and do NOT offend but are HUMBLE and
Repent of their Rudeness will Shine as the Sun.


Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
 

Sozo

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Omega... you're a fruitcake....

the kind that nobody wants, and gets thrown in the garbage.
 

godrulz

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Originally posted by Sozo

Omega... you're a fruitcake....

the kind that nobody wants, and gets thrown in the garbage.

I guess Christmas is over...back to the insults. Any chance of a change for New Year's?
 

godrulz

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Originally posted by lighthouse

OMEGA-
Is Jesus the Rock of Offence, or not?

P.S.
You offend me.

Is Rock of Offence a biblical phrase...I do not think so.

I also disagree with Omega's views, but he is generally courteous.
 

OMEGA

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Col 3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.
16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
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2Pet 1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
 

OMEGA

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fruitcake

fruitcake

Fruitcake Subculture Conspiracy
By Dorothy Sibole


Somewhere in the recent past, society took a turn and a long-standing
holiday tradition was transformed into a joke. So complete was this
societal change that those daring to speak up for or defend fruitcake were
virtually stoned by an angry mob. Fruitcake lovers were outcast, rejected
and ridiculed by popular culture. So vitriolic was the anti-fruitcake
feeling that those with differing views were forced to quietly seek out
others who, like them, still appreciated the fruitcake. Soon, the outcasts
began to find each other, and so, the fruitcake subculture was formed.

It may surprise you how many people number themselves among the Fruitcake
Underground. Just tell a fruitcake joke to a group of people and carefully
watch the reactions. Oh yes, there will more than likely be one or more
people in the group laughing nervously, trying to blend in without making
a scene, wondering if anyone will ever come to the rescue of the defamed
fruitcake.
Other evidence is the amount of fruitcake out there in the world, and it
is spreading. Right now, someone somewhere (maybe someone you know)
is enjoying a dense, moist piece of fruit-and-nut-laden, Rum-drenched
cake behind closed doors, and probably feeling a little guilty about it.

I can tell you, after extensive research, that the movement is about to
come out of the basement. Fruitcake is about to become the next great
thing in the world of special occasion food items. The movement has firm
roots in many areas of food manufacturing and marketing, as well as
suspected endorsements from many famous chefs and food critics. That's
right, fruitcake is on its way back in. It's almost conspiratorial the way
everything is falling into place. Have you noticed the abundance of dried
fruits available in your local markets these days? Not your nuclear green
candied fruit substances, but real dried fruits. They are even putting
them in the cereal to get you acclimated to them. And where did the dried
cranberries come from? It's all part of the plan.
The next step is to gain broad acceptance by changing the name. Let's face
it. The term "fruitcake" has all kinds of negative associations. But what
about Jack Daniels Bourbon Cake? Or Meyer's Rum Cake? Yesterday, I saw the
first of these commercially marketed fruitcakes in the holiday section of
the gourmet grocery store in my town.
What can you do to stop it? It's too late to try - it's already gone too
far. So just embrace it; give it a try. Who knows, you may actually like
some of these cakes. The new cakes blend the best of the new world with
the best of the old world. Gone are the crazy candied fruits, and in are
the modern dry fruits. Don't hide this in your closet anymore. Dice it up
into small squares and dip it into chocolate for some delicious treats.
With the outstanding shelf life built in to a fruitcake, what do you have
to lose?

Basic Fruitcake

1/3 cup chopped dried cherries
2/3 cup dried cranberries
2/3 cup currants
½ cup plus 2 tablespoons light rum
2 cups all-purpose flour
½ teaspoon baking powder
¼ teaspoon salt
½ teaspoon ground cinnamon
8 tablespoons butter
¾ cup packed brown sugar
2 eggs
2 tablespoons milk
¼ cup un-sulfured molasses
2/3 cup chocolate chips or chopped pecans:princess:
 

OMEGA

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SOZO,

Why are you so MISERABLE today ?

Pr 15:26 The thoughts of the wicked are an abomination

to the LORD: but the words of the pure are pleasant words.
 

godrulz

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Originally posted by Sozo

Get real.

Do you not think there is some value in opening doors for ladies or giving them your seat on the bus? Courtesy is a character quality that is commendable whether one is a Christian or not.

Do you mean Omega is rude? I agree with you that he needs to be rebuked for his false ideas.
 

Sozo

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Originally posted by godrulz

Do you not think there is some value in opening doors for ladies or giving them your seat on the bus? Courtesy is a character quality that is commendable whether one is a Christian or not.

Do you mean Omega is rude? I agree with you that he needs to be rebuked for his false ideas.
Did you read his baseless comments in the posts previous to mine?
 

godrulz

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Re: shine

Re: shine

Originally posted by OMEGA

Lighthouse and SOZO,

IF you were spiritually minded, you would understand.

But you do not, as usual.

MThose that do Right and do NOT offend but are HUMBLE and
Repent of their Rudeness will Shine as the Sun.


Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

This baseless comment? He tortured the text and came up with a rambling that does not apply to sozo and lighthouse. I would be frustrated and upset if those verses were misapplied to me. I might tell him to take a hike. I guess I was referring to other threads and PMs where he is respectful despite my targeting his beliefs in Herbert Armstrong.
 

Sozo

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Re: Re: shine

Re: Re: shine

Originally posted by godrulz

I might tell him to take a hike.
Since he apparently has no where else to go, I prefer calling him a fruitcake.
 

OMEGA

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SOZO,

It seems to me that you are a "Scorner" .

It is therefore a waste of time trying to Reason with you

because you are showing forth Unspiritual Bitterness.

Eph 4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:

Heb 12:15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;

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Pr 16:14 The wrath of a king is as messengers of death: but a wise man will pacify it.

Pr 1:5 A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:

Pr 9:9 Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.
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Pr 14:16 A wise man feareth, and departeth from evil: but the fool rageth, and is confident.

Pr 9:8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.

Pr 29:9 If a wise man contendeth with a foolish man, whether he rage or laugh, there is no rest.

Pr 17:10 A reproof entereth more into a wise man than an hundred stripes into a fool.
 

godrulz

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Originally posted by lighthouse

Isa. 8:14 and 1 Peter 2:8

Which translation uses 'offence'? Stumble is the one I am familiar with. They must mean the same thing. It is similar to the idea that the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved, it is the power of God. The Rock is either our foundation or that which people break themselves on through rejection of Him.
 
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