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  1. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Do you still drive truck? --Dave
  2. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    And if someone jumps off that train (not so as to badly injure himself) onto what he perceives is a moving earth will his reality change? Will his perception now be that the train is moving and not the earth? Or, will he continue to think the earth is still moving and the train is not? --Dave...
  3. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    The model is not the perception of reality we get from earth on earth. I don't actually see the universe when see model, I see a model. On earth my perception (what I see and experience) is a flat motionless earth. By seeing this model I'm asked to imagine the universe in not what I see and...
  4. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    This is why relativity is irrational and not reality. In reality The train is moving. You're on the train moving with it. The earth is not moving. --Dave
  5. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    This is about as irrational a comment on what I have said that I have ever seen. --Dave
  6. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    I don't know what more I can say on this subject. I understand how motion is defined in physics and all of you are very good in physics. And you are all correct about how everything works in a heliocentric universe. You all have much more knowledge and understanding about this then I do. You...
  7. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Fish look closer and larger in water from outside of the water. Fish look larger in water from water as well. --Dave
  8. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    No, it effects how we imagine the cosmos to be. By perception we mean what we all see and experience from and on the earth. This would effect our perception only if we were actually out there in space and could see all the planets just as presented in the model. --Dave
  9. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    I think the video speaks for itself and the conclusion that the Lunar Lander would have no dust on the landing pods and no sign of any disturbance under it from the lander's thruster is nonsense. This is especially evident when you see how easily the so call lunar surface is kicked up by the...
  10. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    I agree, there's no such thing as an "ultimate reference point" in the heliocentric model. In the geocentric and flat earth model there is an "ultimate reference point". --Dave
  11. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Yes, I said this website showed both what a flat earth model can and cannot explain. I should have said what the "current" flat earth model can and cannot explain. It explains a lot more than most people think. --Dave
  12. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    By definition a stationary, immovable flat earth does not move and logically is the absolute. Motion is what is moving as opposed to what is not moving. Motion is not what is moving in relation to what else is moving, that's irrational. Modern physics is relative--irrational. --Dave
  13. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Let's see what happened in the NASA vacuum chamber when it was first used. The Time a NASA Experiment Gone Wrong Almost Killed Someone Space Suit Testing Someone made this comment: "The tube pressurizing his suit had become disconnected" If that had happened, his suit would have...
  14. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Your responses take up a lot of space so let me get to the main point. As to the the claim there was very little dust kicked up by the moon lander and all the dust neatly settled leaving no visible disturbance. INSANE! SpaceX Falcon Heavy Side Boosters Landing Simultaneously at Kennedy Space...
  15. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    I simply wanted to make the point it's not a proof along with my no trees no lakes etc example is not a proof either. My problem is relativity. Relativity means for me contradiction. As a most basic example, water seeks it own level but not when a body of water gets too big. Water flows down...
  16. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    It seems I have to spell everything out for you guys. At least you seem to understand that saying a flat motionless earth is God's and our reference point for everything else that moves in the universe is a proposition not a proof. Saying that the earth is not a reference point for...
  17. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Here is one website I found that addresses the whole Flat Earth Dome Model by Walter Bislin. http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=flat+earth+dome+model It shows what a flat earth model can and cannot account for. --Dave
  18. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    The sun on the flat earth model is close and much smaller than the earth, not millions of miles away from us and much larger than the earth. The farther away it gets from us the more atmosphere we have to look through to see it, so there is more atmosphere between us and the sun as it moves away...
  19. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Yes, if I don't believe we went to the moon I obviously don't believe we brought anything back from it. That would be logical and you should have understood that with out asking me. Two things now follow from the foot print and the astronauts kicking up moon dust. 1. Early in the mythbuster...
  20. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    The claim of flat earth is that we see everything over head in perspective just as we see everything in perspective on earth. But then it's argued that the sun should get much smaller the farther away it is from us. It has been argued that the sun maintains it's size from sun rise to sun set...
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