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Learn to use 'spellcheck' dude... Newsflash: You don't get to determine what is actually determined through a narrow frame of reference. Or maybe God is a magician when He does anything outside of your limited scope? Turning water into wine? Wow, that's magic and then some, right?

Is it "magical" to you if a thousand years is like a day to God and the same in reverse? Maybe Jesus feeding the five thousand with some bread and fish was metaphor perhaps? Changing water into wine etc? God isn't limited to a human perspective or understanding where it comes to time. Knowing...

Well of course the threads still here to read, what, was it gonna go somewhere else? Got a quote of mine that says that God needs to know the future in order to say something yet? I would wish you good luck on the score but you'd need more than that. They're only mutually exclusive to those...

So, you haven't got a quote of mine that stipulates that God needs to know the future in order to say something then? Shoulda thought that through a bit more before leveling an unsupportable accusation like that JR. Just because folk have no issue with foreknowledge doesn't mean they think...

It's rational because God hasn't influenced/forced/programmed/coerced you simply by knowing what you were/are going to do at any given point in time. Your will hasn't been infringed upon and you'll have made any number of choices today and anyone knowing about them in advance wouldn't have...

Really, you believe that God can see the future? Since when? In case you hadn't noticed, I'm not arguing that God has 'set it in stone' anyway as foreknowledge of an event isn't the same as predetermining it. It's not a case of wanting to avoid making such a declaration or demanding it, that's...

Yes, it is absolutely clear. God knew what Peter was going to do in unequivocal and blatant terms. How you can't understand that God knew what Peter was going to do in the future is bizarre. That you're reduced to God forcing a bird to crow on demand in order for the verse to tie in with what...

Seriously, even you should be cringing at this whole 'making a rooster crow on demand' stuff JR. That is lame as all get out. What, Jesus was going to wait until Peter denied Him three times and made the bird chirp? Get real.

I have no challenge to answer to with you, none. The verse is explicitly clear in itself. Peter would deny Jesus three times on the very same night before a rooster crowed. It's absolutely specific as to the number of times prefaced with Jesus telling Peter that this is the truth. Could God have...

Yep. Peter wasn't forced or programmed into his denial. There's a difference between God knowing events in advance and forcing them to come about but try telling some of this lot that.

Hmm, well, your sense of what's "rational" is hardly the yardstick for humans let alone an omnipotent deity so any limitations you decide to place are pretty much yours and yours alone. Yes, It's possible for God to know what Peter was doing to do in such specific detail while Peter still had a...

Well enough to know that on that very same night that he was going to deny him exactly three times before a rooster crowed? Come off it. Nobody's saying that relationships aren't important but your imitations on what God can know can be dismissed accordingly.

Jesus knowing Peter is one thing JR, it could well be and in all likelihood was the case that He knew his foibles like all manner of other people. You don't get to downplay what was said and generalize a verse that is absolutely specific with no room for doubt on the score; Here it is again...

Oh, I dunno, a message that got folk to 'get the message' so to speak? It's not like this all reads as God decided to destroy a city no matter what and lo and behold it came about is it? You can't apply this to what Jesus said to Peter when it's obvious He knew what Peter was going to do.

Jesus said that He was telling Peter the truth. That he would deny him not once, not twice but three times before a rooster crowed. How more specific could it possibly get if Jesus didn't know what Peter was going to do?! Your position denies that Jesus was telling Peter a specific truth and the...

Neither. God wasn't telling an individual person in specific, concise detail as to what he was going to do as Jesus did with Peter and where such came about. Stop deflecting and answer as to why God would be so specific as He was with Peter if He wasn't telling him the truth.

So your idea of a rational being includes 'being temporal' and apparently abiding by your notion of what such and such does and doesn't allow. Arrogant much?

God stated to Peter that He was telling him the truth in specific detail. Is there some reason why God would tell Peter that He was telling him the truth only to actually lie about it? Why do you suppose this event is recorded in all four gospels JR, for a laugh? If Christ knew that Peter...

What does "What it meant for God" mean exactly? Seems utterly clear what God was saying here. Here it is again: "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "This very night, before the rooster crows, you will disown me three times." Now, why would God say He's telling someone the truth if He...

Yes.