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Do you still agree with this: Here’s “day” used in Gen 2: Genesis 2:4 (KJV) These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, Is that use of “day” 24 hours?

Then you may leave the thread. Your presence here is no longer helpful, if you aren’t willing to ever admit you were wrong.

It’s the best he has to offer.

Maybe I missed it. Would you confirm it for me?

It’s a simple question. A simple yes or no would be much faster than what you wrote.

So you agree that “in the day” can mean something greater than 24 hours?

I’d kind of like to hear it from him.

Thanks. Does @Clete agree with you?

Are you suggesting mankind has always worn clothing?

How long was the day in Gen 2:4?

If they’re willing to put a multi-million year age on something they make themselves, then they could be just as willing to assign a multi-million year age to something that is only thousands of years old. In both cases something exists that needs to be dealt with truly, rather than claim the...

I guess if one rejects the fossil evidence that they existed, one would also be inclined to reject other archeological evidence that some peoples existed, like the pyramids or the ruins of great cities the bible never mentions.

I agree with you in all of that. That you felt the need tells me you didn't understand what I wrote. I'll try again. Gen 2:4 uses the same expression "in the day" that is used in the exact same chapter when God warned Adam not to eat of the tree Gen 2:17--because he would die "in the day" he ate...

Huh? Gen 2:4 doesn't deal with Adam's death at all. Did you read it? I agree completely with Gen 2:4. Especially where it says God created the heavens and the earth "in the day", despite the verses previous saying it took 6 days (2:2 "ended on the 7th"). Did you read it? If not, please do. If...

I'm not saying it isn't useful for proving some things--I'm just as likely as the next guy to use a single verse as proof of my assertions. What I'm saying is that God didn't think it was sufficient for establishing a doctrine of creation. If I use Gen 1:1 as the basis for my beliefs on...

That was the point Clete was TRYING to make. But it isn't enough, according to God. I'm not trying to say there's anything wrong with believing the text of a single verse. We give God glory based purely on Gen 1:1! He made the heavens and the earth--hallelujah! But what does that include, just...

Gen 1:1 is a great example! God obviously didn't consider it sufficient, because He follows it up with the 7-day creation story. And not only that, but He follows that up with a summary: [Gen 2:1 KJV] Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. Thus, your example...

Why do you leave out “in”?

No, I didn't say he didn't die. I said he did die, and in that day. But just like Gen 2:4, the day is an era, or a timeframe longer than a day. That's what the context gives you. And I don't have to redefine "death" or "day". And as I showed, there are two ways that context shows it isn't a...

So you're saying God is the first cause, but not the second or third or fourth cause? Yet whoever those causes are, aren't they caused to be exactly like they are by God? Didn't God make Satan to rebel, in your view? If not God, then who? Is Satan able to decide to rebel all by himself?