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Didn't God state what Peter would do? It hardly reads as a "what may happen" scenario Stripe. Has it occurred to you that God may have known what Peter would do and that he still had a choice? Imagine that eh?

Of course not, I have the same reference of time as any other person. Difference is, I'm not applying human limitations and understanding to an omnipotent deity and declaring that such can't know anything in advance because of those.

Of course it's not what I'm defending, it's a view that I disagree with and until you finally realize that foreknowledge doesn't equate to determinism or predestination then there's no point in continuing. There's an obvious difference between the hyper Calvinist belief that everything happens...

Well, if you want to limit God's capabilities to your own limited frame of linear reference and understanding then sure. Otherwise...

Hey, you used to be an English teacher or something, right? Do the math or in this case, English. If God knows what choices you are going to make and allows you the will to make those then how is that determining that you will make those decisions? Understand now? I'm guessing no but hope...

When are you going to realize that I'm not ascribing to a "settled view" and understand the difference between foreknowledge and determinism? Until you can do that then this is pointless. Just because God may know what you are going to do doesn't mean that you don't/didn't have choice. It is as...

No, it's rather that God affords you volitional choice in matters while knowing what it is you're going to choose/have chosen is all without any influence or coercion. Until you can grasp that basic concept it's no wonder you're struggling with the difference between foreknowledge and...

So you don't understand the difference between foreknowledge and predeterminism then. Okay, noted.

Sure you would, unless you were forced or programmed into doing so. Foreknowledge itself doesn't equate to that so take it up with determinists or understand the difference.

If God knows what choices people are going to make beforehand then of course it's infallible, that's not under dispute. Stripe's scenario had a completely unnecessary factor and only weakens his and by association your argument frankly. Why even bring God telling a man that he's going to choose...

Sad thing is, some will actually fall for it...

Good for the locals.

The only way the man wouldn't have a choice is if God predetermined him to eat the chocolate. Otherwise, if God knows that the man is going to choose chocolate then that hasn't tampered with his will or choice in the matter at all. What difference does it make if God knew all of the...

If God knows what a man will choose at any given point in life then there's no interference with will unless God tampers with proceedings to ensure that said outcome comes about. Foreknowledge doesn't do anything such in itself. It's simply knowing what is going to happen. That's it. Your...

You mean apart from what a stupid scenario? Sure, the man can choose vanilla unless God forces him to eat the chocolate. Now, if you want a more nuanced answer in regards to foreknowledge/determinism then you've had plenty already.

It generally is your bad with this stuff Stripe as you make a silly argument and after its flaws have been pointed out you revert back to inane soundbites because you lack any defence for it . Pretty much your 'MO'... Of course you have a choice whether God knows in advance or not. Heck, I'll...

No it wasn't. You've chosen to respond to me whether God knew in advance or not. You weren't predetermined to do so either way. Pointless going deeper into the subject until you get that basic stuff through your head.

You and the other voices in your bonce can take it how you want. You've been answered clearly and your scenario was lacking all ends up. You wanna conflate foreknowledge with determinism? Knock yourself out. Silly as anything but hey ho.

Like continually offering to answer one if you'd only get around to it or repeat the thing? Regardless, your "question" revolved around some lame scenario involving ice cream and you've been answered already Stripe. I'm as much a "determinist" as I am a "Darwinist" and your already weak...

Fine, don't ask your question then, your choice. I've offered to answer it.