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As if that were to somehow contradict what was said earlier...

Yes, it is. What is that revelation about? It's about "the time of Jacob's Trouble." Jacob, AKA Israel. Saying it doesn't make it so, Tambora. Yes, the contents of the book of Revelation were given by Jesus Himself, but that doesn't put Him at the center of it, not in the way you mean it...

No, Gary, I can't read your mind. That's why I asked you a question. So then which is it? Was the man saved because of the work of the Holy Spirit? Or was the man saved because of his decision?

You said: Then you said: Why was the first saved, and the second not?

So the first did something and the second did not do it?

Cannot Jesus be where He wants to be? Enjoying Heaven, fellowshipping with the rest of the Body of Christ. You know, the things you would normally do when you get to heaven... Go for it.

In the figurative sense, that He is King over all. But He is the King over an earthly nation that I am not a citizen of, since my citizenship is that of Heaven.

Gentiles out of every kindred, tongue, people, and nation, had always been able to enter into covenant relationship with God.... THROUGH ISRAEL. This is currently not the case, but it will be again during the Great Tribulation. What Paul preached was a direct relationship with God, without...

Clete states the truth. You do not. If you stated the truth, and Clete knowingly disagreed with you. that would make him a liar. Now take what I just said and reverse the names. That's what you're doing. That's why we call you a liar. We call you an idiot because you're being an idiot. How...

That would first require you to make a point that is easily understood. So far, you haven't made any points that would fall under that category.

This passage supports what Clete said. It also doesn't help your position. Verse 20 is literally what Clete said: "The point he's making is that God hasn't made it so obvious that you can't deny it but that the evidence makes God's existence and character clearly evident for those who are...

He's talking about Jesus INTENTIONALLY hiding his true purpose from the Jews in order to make it to the cross. Note verses 7-8: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had...

Try again. What is Paul talking about in the context?

What is the context of what Paul is saying?

You've completely misunderstood the passage. Go back and read from the beginning of the chapter.

Again, you're allowed to disagree. This IS the correct subforum to discuss this topic. If you want to discuss it, you SHOULD be here.