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One more thing on this--I haven't looked into all the possible models of a flat earth. The one that is most prevalent in the FE videos, where the sun and moon circle around a wobbling (for seasonal variations) center point at a fixed distance above the earth's flat surface, does NOT allow the...

I'm not saying it can't be faked. But if it's assumed that it's faked just because it shows the wrong view, then there's no objectivity. I brought this up to Dave--he seemed unwilling to concede that the flat earth videos were possibly faked, or deliberately skewed to promote that view point...

And now one can view the curve of the earth through the front windshield of a Tesla Roadster. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/960992715579125760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fscienc e%2Flive%2F2018%2Ffeb%2F06%2Fspacex-falcon-heavy-launch-elon-musk-live-updates

[Phl 1:15-18 KJV] 15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will: 16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds: 17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel. 18 What then...

That's Dave? My favorite was this, at 0:55: "The [toilet water] doesn't fly out of the toilet because water seeks its level."

If the bible gives wisdom for all occasions, then it should be able to handle this: Let's say, for argument's sake, that Global Climate change is a fact, and that it is caused by humans. What then should we as Christians do about it? I'll suggest up front that while some of the secular...

I'm starting this thread to keep from clogging up another one (What is the Gospel? started by Sonnet) with rabbit trails. These are two responses I had to a post or two in the other thread, and I wanted to answer them without hijacking Sonnet's. For now, I'm just starting the thread as a...

Yeah! What happens in the heavens, stays in the heavens. Sent from my Z992 using TheologyOnline mobile app

We're going to Oregon. Definitely looking forward to it. Sent from my Z992 using TheologyOnline mobile app

But if FE'ers reject gravity, giving them an example of other forces altering the effects of gravity would have the appearance, at least to them, of bolstering their contention against gravity. On the other hand, if you were trying to explain why something they brought up to argue against...

Cool video, JR. But what is the application in this thread?

I'm not holding my breath.

Why does the bible say the sun rises and sets? If you discard the globe earth because of the Joshua passage, you must discard any flat earth model that doesn't have a RISING and SETTING sun. Sent from my Z992 using TheologyOnline mobile app

Yes, I agree completely. What I was trying to do with using the crepuscular ray angles was to show that the flat earth model can't use the crepuscular rays any more than the globular earth model. First, for the reason you state, and second, because it makes the sun ridiculously low...

Actually, no. The distances are based on real angles. What I did was first to point out that the angles of the closer sun would have to be the same as the angles of the further sun, just as the apparent size of the closer sun is the exact same as the apparent size of the further sun. Thus, the...

At least evolutionist have a holy book (Origin of the Species) that can be studied and refuted, But they both evade facts presented to them by shifting focus onto something else. A standard Jehovah Witness tactic. Sent from my Z992 using TheologyOnline mobile app

Consensus on anything in the flat earth model will kill it, and the purveyors know it, at least most do. That's why they won't grant it. But "3000 miles" is what I've seen to explain the difference between the shadow lengths that helped the Greek Eratosthanes calc the size of the earth 2500...

DFT_Dave, I wanted to continue with the thoughts on crepuscular rays, so I'm responding to my own post, while mentioning you. As I was pointing out in my previous post, the angles seen in the two photos of crepuscular rays hitting the earth (reproduced here for convenience) Show that angles...

Great! I gave reasons why it's fraudulent. Please respond with your case of why it is not.

A video is either a fraud or not--my opinion and yours notwithstanding. If you are really looking to find truth, then you need to reject videos that are frauds. I've shown at least two examples of fraudulent artwork from you. Whether you made the videos or pictures or not, because you have...