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Oh yes! I remember it as if it happened yesterday! Here's the WHOLE argument.... "Water baptism isn't necessary for salvation because there are two parallel passages... "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life." (John 6:47) "He who believes and is baptized...

Such a critically important distinction to make! (y)

Quite so! The "seed plot" of the bible starts practically from page one presenting a God that learns and changes His mind and gives people privacy and all sorts of things that would crack Aristotle's god into a million little tiny pieces.

I grew up as a Christian. I was baptized the Sunday before Easter when I was in the third grade, which ChatGPT tells me was March 23, 1975. That's coming up on exactly 50 years ago! Wow! Throughout my childhood and young adult years, I attended so-called "Christian Churches" (e.g., Memorial...

Typical Calvinist blasphmeny. "We can trust God because He is arbitrary and because He cheats and because He can't change. If God was capable of learning, He'd betray us for sure!" Why anyone accepts that blasphemous crap, I will never understand!

You may be posturing but I most certainly am not. TIme is NOT ontological. The only people who say otherwise have either a Einsteinian or Augustinian reason for doing so. Stipidity. Literal drooling down your chin stupidity! Guess what, Lon! God is real and as such He is bound inexorably to...

Not just early Genesis, but all of Genesis and right through the entire bible.

I was hoping that was the case! :cool:

There is no such animal, in Africa or anywhere else. Any example you've been shown is a malformation of something like an Oryx or something like that.

It would depend on how you are using the word but generally no. It too is a concept. God Himself is Logic (Reason) and so the degree to which that is true it may be accurate to say that it is ontological but we aren't given sufficient information to say with certainty about that. In fact, I...

Said the irrational Catholic, bombastically! :ROFLMAO: That really did make me laugh out loud! I mean talk about hypocrisy! Wow! First of all my "pet theology" hasn't even one single hole that I am aware of at all, which is the major reason I believe it! If it did have a hole, I'd be...

OR you can just read it and take it to mean what it is obviously saying and that any ten year old child can understand.

No it isn't! What you are you even talking about? I read it in English and take it to mean what it plainly states. That is completely irrelevant to the point. I wasn't changing the subject to something eschatological. The point is that its still me! Take me out of this body and have me as a...

2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

When you go to Heaven, is it going to be a different person than you standing before God just because you'll be without your physical body? If your Mom or wife or best friend comes by will they not recognize who you are? I just cannot for the life of me understand the need to make the...

I meant what I said, Lon. You seem to grasp at whatever idea pops into your head first and twist it in inexplicable ways in order to make it work for your side of whatever point you happen to be making. There's no logic to it, there's no consistency in it whatsoever except that you are never...

Yes. Irrelevant. Santa Claus is not more real because millions of children believe that he's real. Irrelevant. The utility of an idea does not make it less of an idea and more of a material thing. Irrelevant. There is no such ontological thing as "free will". Free will is a concept not...

Yes, of course that's what I meant! I don't understand why I always get the two of you mixed up!

I agree with Right Divider. This entire post is just dumb! Seriously, Lon! You sound almost like you're drunk or something! You telling us that we don't get to have our cake and eat it too is so laughably hypocritical that it's tantamount to downright insanity. D.C. Comics couldn't come up with...

Yes, I got the point and looked it up at the time. Let's just say that it's a very uncommon way to use the term. In the end, your point was communicated and my point still stands.