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  1. Derf

    Who was grafted into the olive tree?

    A church? Polycarp, a disciple of John, and a bishop of the church in Smyrna, would be surprised to hear that.
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    Who was grafted into the olive tree?

    The warning against the synagogue of Satan is exactly what you’re saying isn’t there, and exactly what Jesus would warn His churches about—the Jews that are trying to get the believers to follow Jewish laws. And Paul regularly referred to Old Testament stories when writing to the Gentile...
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    Who was grafted into the olive tree?

    Agreed. Don’t agree here. Rev 2 and 3 are specifically addressed to the churches in Gentile cities. If you say they are only for end times, that may be fine, but it is still in the period where Jesus Christ recognizes the jurisdiction of the churches, which would have to be prior to a rapture...
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    Who was grafted into the olive tree?

    But a church could be cut out. Revelation 2:5 (KJV) Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
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    Who was grafted into the olive tree?

    I think he makes a mistake when he says the thing that is given to the branches is the promises of Israel. Why does he say that? It isn’t in Matt 21. I would offer that what is being given is the words of eternal life. Israel had that, but then that was given to the church, which is obviously...
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    Satan's Argument for Job's Faithfulness

    Why pick this one, Jerry? Why can’t we also say God was not to be taken literally in Eze 24:14? Who gets to choise when to take God literally? is it you?
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    Ask Sherman

    i found this conversation at a zenforo forum: https://xenforo.com/community/threads/custom-posts-per-page-user-setting.19973/#post-255884
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    Jesus Descended to Hell: A Historical, Scriptural, Modern, and Pastoral Treatment

    That’s a pretty thorough list. It shows why you can’t trust the popes and bishops without a more transcendent standard to compare their teachings to, as the RCC has wandered further from truth through the years. Thanks for posting it.
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    Jesus Descended to Hell: A Historical, Scriptural, Modern, and Pastoral Treatment

    But Jesus tells us (and the pope and bishops) what we’re supposed to be teaching: Matthew 28:19-20 (KJV) 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations...20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you...
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    Jesus Descended to Hell: A Historical, Scriptural, Modern, and Pastoral Treatment

    I can't see how He can save anyone with a false gospel. "For there is no other name given under heaven by which we must be saved." He might save some in spite of the false gospels Satan is promoting. But He only saves by the blood of Christ. Then you need to read your article more thoroughly...
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    Death and How to Comfort the Family-Part 2

    @ffreeloader My issue about whether death means no activity at all for the deceased (even spiritual activity) is not the bible verses that are clearly for it, but those that seem to allow for the spiritual activity in some way. And much is tied to this discussion about what we should say to...
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    Jesus Descended to Hell: A Historical, Scriptural, Modern, and Pastoral Treatment

    You think His will save us with a false gospel? I agree there are core and non-core issues. And Jesus preaching in hell is non-core. But I'm not so sure about the salvific work in hell part. Is it still an "honest error" if we are given evidence to the contrary and we dismiss it? I'll take a...
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    Jesus Descended to Hell: A Historical, Scriptural, Modern, and Pastoral Treatment

    And to you, too. And me. And if we tell people a false gospel, we are locking them out of heaven. Btw, I don’t have a problem with the creeds, in general, but the “descended into hell” line appears to have crossed the line. You published the Nicene creed in that previous post, and it doesn’t...
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    Jesus Descended to Hell: A Historical, Scriptural, Modern, and Pastoral Treatment

    impeccable adjective. (ˌɪmˈpɛkəbəl) Without fault or error. That’s fine, but you’re putting yourself in the position of a teacher with this kind of post. No need. He’s just a guy, too.
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    Ask Sherman

    It deletes all comments from others, too? That seems like too powerful a command, if one is losing an argument, for instance.
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    Jesus Descended to Hell: A Historical, Scriptural, Modern, and Pastoral Treatment

    Here’s what the author said about creeds further down: “ Our creeds are a summarizing of the Christian mysteries of Salvation History and a profession of our faith which is passed onto each generation in human history so they can know for certain the basic Christian confession of faith and thus...
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    Jesus Descended to Hell: A Historical, Scriptural, Modern, and Pastoral Treatment

    You mean by burning people at the stake when they translated the Bible into common vernaculars?
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    Jesus Descended to Hell: A Historical, Scriptural, Modern, and Pastoral Treatment

    That’s pretty rich. You start a thread that someone disagrees with, and you won’t have a discussion about it, but you want to continue teaching. Who exactly are you accountable to? Or are you a primary authority on the truths of spiritual things? Does the Bible provide any truthful witness in...
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    Jesus Descended to Hell: A Historical, Scriptural, Modern, and Pastoral Treatment

    The problem, just like in the other recent thread (here), that must have spawned this one, is that you are telling a story without scriptural evidence. Scripture actually tells us that heaven is “up”. John 3:13 (KJV) And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven...
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    Jesus Descended to Hell: A Historical, Scriptural, Modern, and Pastoral Treatment

    How does one “descend to the lower, earthly regions”? Isn’t that by burial, similar to how David said in Psalms 139:15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, [and] curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth? Was David curiously wrought in hell? The article made...
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