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*sigh* Your OP is about what words mean. Then you admit that today's meanings of "word" and "logic" don't carry the kind of meaning that fits with what your OP requires for your position to be valid. I'm not able to argue the point better than that, and I've shown you where you wrote it. I'll...

These are two statements you made. They perfectly make the case against your argument that "logic" is a better term than "the word" for Jesus Christ, in answer to: You've already spelled it out for yourself. I'm not trying to avoid the conversation, but if you've already made the argument...

I don’t think Abraham was foretold. But I don’t see why anything I wrote would suggest it either. Jesus wasn’t just commenting on a foretelling when He said He was before Abraham.

If our wording in today's translations carries the connotation, and "logic" doesn't, then you've just proven my point for me. Thanks!

I didn't think I needed to, since you did it so well yourself. Go look back at your post.

You’re allowing reason to usurp God’s rule over all.

I’m not convinced “word” is more meaninglessness than”logic”. “Word” allows for more options than”logic”, for one thing. Just because you haven’t chosen the correct abstraction related to “word” doesn’t prevent their being one that works. “Logic” is pretty limited in its possible abstractions...

That's difficult. We know that God is alive ("the living God"). He thinks and acts willfully. Humans, animals, and angels and demons all seem to do the same. Death is a little easier--it's not the opposite of life but the cessation of life. A rock is not dead, because it has never been alive. A...

Consider this: trees are made of wood. Then consider the corollary: anything made of wood is a tree. The first statement is a connection between a specific and a general thing. The second reverses the connection. This reversal (the corollary) works in some cases but not all. It doesn't...

I know. Why? Does one mean the other? That was the conversation we were having.

These two quotes from your post eloquently encapsulate the issue. You define death as "separated from God". But then you have to add “utterly” to it. Why? Was he just mostly dead before that? I think you’ve been watching too much Princess Bride. Is Satan ever described as dead in the Bible...

I missed this reply. Sorry about that, JR. If God is something that He imparts to us, then we are Him if that thing He imparts is integral to our being. And let’s take it to extremes to see how it works out. Is Satan alive? Will Satan be alive when cast into lake of fire? Then God, if He is...

But love is not the very incarnation of Jesus. That is, when we love, Jesus is not transubstantiated in us, is He? And His love is not an abstraction, but an active, visible love--in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Because it defines the logos as a person--he--rather than as...

If God is life itself, that could mean either that God is the source of life for all creatures or God is all alive creatures. I don't with the latter, do you?

Hi Bradley. I don't understand your answer. Are you saying love IS God?

I listened to that broadcast. This thread reminded me of it. I've discussed Clete's take on God is logic before, too. I don't like him claiming the corollary, though. Logic is not God, just like love is not God. But those are different topics.

Hi Clete. Somewhere in all of that, I missed your point. I understand you feel like you've proved God to be moral, but you talked some about the necessity of His morality. Does the morality of God necessitate a particular morality? Or is morality purely what God wants it to be?

I'm in agreement with pretty much everything you say, but your number 2 is all that's needed to say it. "I am" was a shortened form of "I am that I am", or the self-existing one. Jesus made the same claim. I'm just saying that if Jesus defines Himself in terms of time in a passage, it seems...

That's why we're in such bad shape! I knew there was something wrong.

This is what God deals with all the time. If “the right” repents and becomes “the righteous”, the left won’t be able to win.