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    Paul did not write Hebrews; we do not know who did

    You were accusing me of ignoring the plain text, not your points. Why change the conversation? Then you agree that "plain reading of the text" is a mere smokescreen? Or begging the question? Of course everybody claims to believe they have the "plain reading of the text", because otherwise they...
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    I just hear this: Why was Satan told to partake of the ground?

    I'm certain you are reading it wrong. God is the one speaking in both vs 1 and 2. You keep trying to insert some other accuser, but it isn't needed to understand the passage. And inserting one where it isnt needed makes you go off into weird speculations about what the passage means. Rather, it...
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    I just hear this: Why was Satan told to partake of the ground?

    Just so you know, I don't always have time to peruse the different threads I've contributed to, so I might not see a response that doesn't directly address me by either quoting one of my posts or by using the "@" sign followed by my name (no spaces). I know that's your answer, because you've...
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    I just hear this: Why was Satan told to partake of the ground?

    I think I already did what you are asking for. In John 10 Jesus speaking to the the leader of the Jews, chastising them for how they led the people. You can see this in the earlier part of the chapter where Jesus talks about thieves and hirelings and those that don't care for the sheep. This...
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    Paul did not write Hebrews; we do not know who did

    Should we discuss which plain reading you're ignoring? Here's an additional point: Whereas you gave the following as enough to disqualify Paul as author-- “Which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him.” — Hebrews 2:3--by these words: That...
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    Paul did not write Hebrews; we do not know who did

    Yet, here's the next town he went to: Acts 14:1 KJV — And it came to pass in Iconium, that they went both together into the synagogue of the Jews, and so spake, that a great multitude both of the Jews and also of the Greeks believed. So the Jews were still his focus, at least when he first...
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    Paul did not write Hebrews; we do not know who did

    I'm going to focus on this point, because i don't have time to deal with the rest right now. Paul"s ministry was continually to Hebrews (Jews). In every town he visited, he went to the synagogue first, if they had one, or to the God-fearing Jews who met together if there were any. Throughout the...
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    Paul did not write Hebrews; we do not know who did

    Contradictions often stem from false presuppositions, as you well know. Since Hebrews was written by someone who knew Timothy, that person also must have known Paul and his teachings. So it is very likely that he wrote from Pauls doctrinal position. Therefore making it out to be non-Pauline is...
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    Paul did not write Hebrews; we do not know who did

    That shows not who the author of Hebrews isn't, but how fragile your theology system is.
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    I just hear this: Why was Satan told to partake of the ground?

    It is. We know this from what Jesus said when quoting from it: John 10:34-35 KJV — Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; The bolded parts connect the words "you are...
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    I just hear this: Why was Satan told to partake of the ground?

    A man who thinks he's better than a man, but will still die like the man he is. The previous verse explains this. Psalm 82:6 KJV — I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
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    Paul did not write Hebrews; we do not know who did

    If it was Paul, then we know why...because a lot of the Jews still hated him for bringing in Gentiles without circumcision. He omitted, or somebody delivering the letter probably deleted, the greeting and closing sections that would have confirmed Paul's authorship to keep the messenger from...
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    A little comedy break....

    Not to mention leaders, sometimes overlapping with food, like: Earl of Sandwich or Mayor of Hamburg
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    On the Seventh Day

    So sabbath days are not holy? I appreciate the fact that you are quoting scripture, but i don't see how it helps your point. If the sabbath was a shadow of things to come, then, like the other shadows, it does not need to be continued in the shadow form, since we have our true rest in Christ.
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    On the Seventh Day

    Yes, and? But if you expect anyone to prove their point before you attempt to prove yours, when it is your thread, the onus is misplaced. I don't understand what you mean. Could you check your sentence structure and try again? But focusing on plural "sabbaths" does not exclude the seventh...
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    On the Seventh Day

    You should first prove your assertion within the context. You certainly haven't done so. Plural "sabbaths" can surely include single ones. Since you made the assertion, you prove your side first.
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    On the Seventh Day

    So you're ok with a rest every, say, Tuesday, right?
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    So guys, what's it like living in a boring echo chamber nowadays?

    I was trying to figure out what it is about making America great that you don't like, but you seem to be be saying "everything". And your only potential champion in the Republican party is so merely because he is anti-MAGA. I can see why you don't want to follow the thought line further. No...
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    So guys, what's it like living in a boring echo chamber nowadays?

    That's what tagging does--it addresses it to you
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    So guys, what's it like living in a boring echo chamber nowadays?

    @annabenedetti What do you think about the Tina Peters business? Trump supports her and has told Colorado to let her out of prison, after she did what state law says to do, to keep from doing what state law says not to do. Should she be released? Was she insane to try to uphold the rule of law?
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