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  1. Clete

    Is there any obvious evidence today for the biblical global Flood?

    It wouldn't matter. I'm telling you that it just would not matter. You just cannot seem to grasp how unbelievably tiny the gravitational effects are of distant objects. Note the highlighted portion of your statement above. The gravitational effect of far distant objects is so immeasurably small...
  2. Clete

    Is there any obvious evidence today for the biblical global Flood?

    The entire mass of the universe is pulling on you now and yet the gravitational pull of this tiny little planet has a gigantically larger gravitational effect on you than even the closest star (i.e. the Sun). The walls in the room you are sitting in right now have an enormously larger...
  3. Clete

    Is there any obvious evidence today for the biblical global Flood?

    I agree that the center of a thing is relative to the limits of that thing. If the universe has a limit then it has a center, if not of space then a center of mass. In other words, I have no argument having to do with the meaning of the word "center". We do not have any evidence that the...
  4. Clete

    Is there any obvious evidence today for the biblical global Flood?

    The problem is that there is way more redshift than can be accounted for by the Doppler Effect alone. That would account for the extra redshift but would not account for the anomalies discovered by Alton Arp such as the ones depicted in the image I posted the other day. No amount of space...
  5. Clete

    Is there any obvious evidence today for the biblical global Flood?

    Yes but not completely different. One is static the other dynamic but both have to do with an objects position relative to other objects. Its the equivalent difference as that between sequence and duration. Not according to redshift theory it isn't, at least not in the way you mean it here. The...
  6. Clete

    Is there any obvious evidence today for the biblical global Flood?

    To be more clear, it's cosmological redshift that is being questioned, not Doppler effect redshift. Except that there is more redshift than can be accounted for by simple physical motion of an object relative to us. There are things that are so red shifted that things that supposedly started...
  7. Clete

    Is there any obvious evidence today for the biblical global Flood?

    It's the same thing. The same theory behind redshift distance correlation is the same theory that suggests that everything is moving a way from us. There's way too much redshift than can be accounted for by the bodies physical motion through space. It's all predicated on the idea that space...
  8. Clete

    Is there any obvious evidence today for the biblical global Flood?

    Nothing that we know of today. Who knows what we'll figure out tomorrow.
  9. Clete

    Is there any obvious evidence today for the biblical global Flood?

    The argument is based on redshift, the cause of which is what is being questioned here. If redshift is a measure of distance, which I don't believe it is, or if there was evidence that the universe has finite edges then I'd agree that there is some point that could be meaningfully called the...
  10. Clete

    Is there any obvious evidence today for the biblical global Flood?

    What is infinity divided by two? Another way to think of it.... What is the center point of the surface of a sphere? Again, there is no evidence that the universe has a center. We are as much at the center of the universe as is anything else is so far as it make sense to speak about the...
  11. Clete

    Is there any obvious evidence today for the biblical global Flood?

    There is no evidence that the universe has a center but your point is still valid in that modern cosmology does make the assumption that the gravitational constant, as well as all the other constants, are the same everywhere as there are here. Arp, the guy who made the observations in that...
  12. Clete

    Am I saved from the Christian point of view?

    I've never made any attempt to get anyone banned. You're either stupid or a liar or both. It's the one that explicitly states that such is the case - verbatim - which you could have found in ten seconds with a simple search of the phrase, "by revelation", which I had in quotes. It's the very...
  13. Clete

    Am I saved from the Christian point of view?

    The ONLY Biblical answer to The Age of Accountability Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that babies are innocent. The ONLY reason anyone would ever postulate that God sends babies to Hell or even suggests that such a possibility exists at all is to imply that God is unjust. No, they...
  14. Clete

    Is there any obvious evidence today for the biblical global Flood?

    Very likely that they did not understand the difference. Not at all, no. First, light goes really really fast in comparison to the physical motion of these bodies and so actual Doppler effect is quite tiny in comparison to the shift supposedly caused by the stretching of the light due to...
  15. Clete

    Am I saved from the Christian point of view?

    Yeah, as if I wrote the bible. You should understand that such emotionally based arguments will have no effect on me other than to convince me that you have nothing of substance to respond with. I Corinthians 4:15 For though you might have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet you do not...
  16. Clete

    Is there any obvious evidence today for the biblical global Flood?

    This is frankly a ridiculous objection. He isn't saying we do not directly observe the stars. He's saying that we do not directly measure the movement of very distant celestial objects, which is 100% the truth. Except for the stars that are close enough to do a parallax measurement, the movement...
  17. Clete

    What a narcissist!

    And yet, when she won the first time, it was a triumph and such a great thing that the people of Chicago had elected a black lesbian! When they win, racism and sexism is a good thing. When they lose it's Nazism or something worse.
  18. Clete

    Am I saved from the Christian point of view?

    I'm not "offended" in the way you seem to be meaning it here. I don't even remember your last post so maybe just move on and stop worrying about my state of mind. When have I ever suggested that God sends babies to Hell? I'm pretty sure I've stated the reverse - repeatedly. Anyone who would try...
  19. Clete

    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    That's my favorite! They always intentionally "misunderstand" the question.
  20. Clete

    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    A question that Hoping PROBABLY will not answer..... What is the difference between the Kingdom of Israel and the Body of Christ?
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