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I get that this was your point and I feel like I did a rather good job of refuting that point, did I not? I'd enjoy reading any response you might have to my three point argument on this specific point.... First, I would refer you to an essay I wrote that covers some important ground in this...

Whether you were consciously an Augustinian or not, if you ever believed that God is immutable, you have Augustine to thank for it. He is THE source of the doctrine in Christian doctrine and at least to that extent, all believers in the Classical attributes of God, which are all logically...

So, because of a decidedly boring lack of substance from most everyone here on TOL who doesn't already agree with me, I've not posted here in the last couple of weeks. It was my intention to stay away for at least the rest of the summer and that may still be what I do because it has been a nice...

The only people I care anything about are actively reading this thread and so I'll just say this here.... I have to get away from this place. At least for a while. There isn't anything happening here that's worth the time and effort that it requires and there hasn't been for a very long time...

Liar. Welcome to my ignore list.

Completely unresponsive waste of time to read. Nothing at all other than you repeating your position as though nothing has been said to prove it false, like the repeated quoting of God's word including where it directly quotes God Himself saying things that directly contradict your doctrine...

Once again, you might could get away with this with someone else, but I'm not nearly that stupid. You DO NOT realize that you're doing it until I (we) point it out and then you ignore the point. Now, if you'd like to make an actual argument that supports this new contention of yours that our...

On the contrary. People disagreeing with me is one major reason I'm here! If there's anything frustrating me at all, its the complete lack of substantive response. I could repeat the fact that you are using OUR arguments for the next ten years and you'd still have never responded to the point...

It's stupid because you are intentionally ignoring the text of scripture, ignoring every descent argument put against you and then responding to ancillary points in a manner that is literally as if you don't know right from wrong! It's also as if you know nothing of Christian doctrine...

You are acting stupid.

The undermining and eventual destruction of the United States of America.

What are you even talking about? No one here has ever suggested that God would ever lie to one of His own!

"Allowing a deluding influence of some sort, because the people aren't willing to hear the truth" seems a bit redundant, doesn't it? Hey, those people over there are blind, therefore, I'm going to poke their eyes out! Hey, those people over there are refuse to listen, therefore, I'm going to...

You read my mind!

Thank you for conceding the debate.

@Derf, Were are just going in circles. If you've got something of substance to add then great. Otherwise, I'll chalk it up as yet another conversation where the disagreement boiled down to conforming ones doctrine to the plain reading of scripture vs conforming the meaning of the text to fit...

It isn't subjective at all. I don't understand why you won't answer the question and why you seem to need to squirm around the plain reading of the text of scripture. The question is too generalized to say with certainty. It would depend upon what is at stake in the case. The laws in this...

Excellent opening post in that thread. (y)

That's true. At least that's what it feels like. :) Well, you've done more than that, you keep making arguments that only make sense if we're saying that lying isn't ever a sin, which you now have affirmatively acknowledged that you understand not to be the case. So, why do you keep making the...

No one has ever said, "Lying wasn't evil." That's you twisting what we've said into something you can argue against. What we've said is that lying isn't always evil. From this point forward, all I'm going to do is to keep on repeating this same exact point until you acknowledge it.