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You said "explicitly". Can you elicit what you meant? Why would I think that? Can you give me scripture? Ok. He was willing to wait another year for Israel. Why wouldn't He be willing to wait another year for #12? Numerology is an inexact science. You can make it say a whole lot of stuff...

Do you think Paul can't write to the Jews even if He agreed not to "go" to the the Jews? Invalid. Assumes that the replacement had to be made immediately but God often has a different timetable than men. Can you point to the scripture that tells exactly how many were filled with the Spirit and...

You make much of the number 12, but it doesn't help you if Paul could be one of those twelve--and I don't see anything the proves he couldn't be. Mat 19:28 was obviously spoken to more than twelve of His disciples, or Matthias and Joseph Barsabas would not qualify. But if both qualified so well...

The lot is cast into the lap; but the whole disposing thereof [is] of the LORD. [Proverbs 16:33 KJV] But the disciples, not exercising their authority to select Judas's replacement, as you would have us believe they had, instead only determined the candidates, and left the choice to the casting...

I understand that, and that's why I don't buy into the MAD doctrine--they take it too far. There is significant evidence that all of them eventually went elsewhere and preached to Gentiles, especially right before 70 AD when Jerusalem was destroyed. The evidence may not be as trustworthy as the...

I still need to go back through and respond to your, @Right Divider's, and @JudgeRightly's previous posts, as I haven't had time to do so. Just so you all know, I am in some significant agreement with dispensationalism, and I do think there will be an earthly kingdom, characterized by Jesus...

Or it could mean that I haven't settled on my doctrinal view in this area, and I need to consider any valid options. Something to think about, yes? Something to emulate, maybe?

And when it was day, he called [unto him] his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles; [Luke 6:13 KJV] Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? [John 6:70 KJV] I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the...

The Bible explicitly says "Matthias will be one of those who will sit upon TWELVE thrones over the TWELVE tribes of Israel in the coming Kingdom in the New Jerusalem which has TWELVE gates"? I must have missed that verse.

Remember that they weren't exactly fond of him. Allowing him to do what Christ wanted (go to the Gentiles) and them to do what they wanted (stay away from the Gentiles) made sense to them, but they all eventually went to the Gentiles.

He was numbered by whom? Just because most thought of him as one of the twelve doesn't mean Jesus thought of him that way. And Jesus is the only one that matters. Jesus personally picked all of the eleven (plus Judas), then personally picked Paul. He only indirectly picked Matthias. But I've...

If I wrote that, the first part would be with tongue planted firmly in cheek. If that's not how you meant it, could you explain?

Remember that the thread is about whether Paul wrote Hebrews. The assumption that Paul needs to be excluded from the 12 apostles is partly based on the idea that he never wrote anything to the Jews. But if you then use that "fact" to say he didn't write anything (like Hebrews) to the Jews, the...

Circular. That's the question, whether Paul mentioned Melchizedek (when he wrote Hebrews) Not "simply", but it clearly was used so. Your comprisal of the "agreement" is so loose as to allow anything you say it to be, so it's merely a tool to help you win arguments. If you don't agree, please...

Thank you, that's a valid correction. The order of Melchizedek superseded the Levitical priesthood, and was recognized by Abraham prior to his own circumcision. Paul applies Abraham's pre-circumcision belief in God's promises to the church's state of grace without the law: "and it was counted...

Such a distinction makes the agreement of little substance. If Paul says he won't go to the Jews, and then he goes to the Jews, what is the agreement about? I agree there is probably evidence that he didn't write Hebrews, but to use the fact that he didn't elsewhere write to the Jews as...

Because he's writing those other epistles to Gentiles. He wouldn't want to refer to their high priests as a comparison, would he? In some, it's only used in the salutations. If the first page was ripped off, as I suggested, that term could have gotten lost. But he's also making the case for...

The apostle to the Gentiles was constantly trying to convert Jews, so he might write a letter to the Hebrews, explaining what the Lord Jesus taught him about the types of Christ given in the Old Testament. It could be that the salutation was stripped off the book, either by Paul or the carrier...

Not according to @beloved57. Those that were elected to be saved from the foundation of the world didn't need it.

Which could mean, since no qualifyer is provided (as opposed to your everlasting life qualifier), that the only thing Jesus made were things in Joseph's wood shop. But that's ridiculous, we both agree, and so is the qualifier that only serves to limit Jesus' creative work to fit your...