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  1. Clete

    How to respond to classical theists who dodge Open Theism arguments

    You aren't going to start crying are you? For the record. If what Cygnus is claiming is actually true, I would have to say that I saw no reason why the post should be deleted, in and of itself. I would therefore suspect that Cygnus here has a history of showing up for the purpose of impugning...
  2. Clete

    What Time Dilation ACTUALLY Is In Relativity (Hint: It has nothing to do with time)

    Contradict yourself much? That is not what either of those things mean. That's because it is an idea. Again, this is because it is an idea. Precisely correct! Motion is ALWAYS a relative term. It has no meaning otherwise. Motion happens but there is no stuff out there called "motion". Motion...
  3. Clete

    What Time Dilation ACTUALLY Is In Relativity (Hint: It has nothing to do with time)

    Four things.... First, entropy, like time, is not an ontologically existent thing. It is an idea. There isn't any sort of physical stuff out there that is entropy. It's just a concept. Second, as Right Divider pointed out, time isn't measured that way. Indeed, if anything, it is entropy that...
  4. Clete

    What Time Dilation ACTUALLY Is In Relativity (Hint: It has nothing to do with time)

    True enough as stated, but it ignores the topic of the thread which has to do with the real effects that acceleration and velocity have on the duration of events relative to other events. Effects that have been experimentally verified to happen and that must be accounted for and dealt with for...
  5. Clete

    What Time Dilation ACTUALLY Is In Relativity (Hint: It has nothing to do with time)

    So, because I mentioned Bob's Summit Clock Experiment, I decided to go find the thread and read through a chunk of it. Wow! That is a cool thread! It's hard to believe that I posted THIS almost exactly 17 years ago.... Johnny, Look, I don't know how else to say this. Either the same number of...
  6. Clete

    What Time Dilation ACTUALLY Is In Relativity (Hint: It has nothing to do with time)

    On that point, we are in 100% agreement! This is a major point that Bob Enyart made when he posted his "Summit Clock Experiment". The Sun (and the rest of anything in the sky) stands as an independent third party that gives a bigger picture perspective in regards to the amount of time that has...
  7. Clete

    How to respond to classical theists who dodge Open Theism arguments

    I assume that the person who posted it had second thoughts. Yeah, sure. Whatever. How is that relevant? We can speak right here. No one will show up with SUVs and black helicopters. I promise. You've so far given me no reason at all why I would be motivated to do such thing. I very much...
  8. Clete

    What Time Dilation ACTUALLY Is In Relativity (Hint: It has nothing to do with time)

    Awesome! I'm so relieved to hear that! I totally had noticed which is why it just flabbergasted me that you'd ever buy into such things as flat earth conspiracies. Truly stunning. You can thank social media logarithms that are intended to trap people into their own echo chambers for that...
  9. Clete

    How to respond to classical theists who dodge Open Theism arguments

    There was a post on here a moment ago that was attempting to chastise TOL for banning people who disagree with Open Theism, which does not happen and, over the decades that this site has existed, hasn't ever happened to my knowledge. I went to respond to the post and it had been deleted. I...
  10. Clete

    What Time Dilation ACTUALLY Is In Relativity (Hint: It has nothing to do with time)

    No, it slows it down, but not enough to notice at car driving speeds. Do you understand what it was that got me so angry about that? Believing that the Earth is flat is reserved for stupid people, or at least it sure as Hell aught to be! You are very clearly not stupid, which turns it from...
  11. Clete

    What Time Dilation ACTUALLY Is In Relativity (Hint: It has nothing to do with time)

    (y) I would agree but there is an effect that forces us to treat certain systems AS IF time does dilate. The reality is that time is just an idea and so it isn't time itself doing the dilating but the practical result is the same. No, it isn't committing any such fallacy. You really should...
  12. Clete

    What Time Dilation ACTUALLY Is In Relativity (Hint: It has nothing to do with time)

    I missed it. Please repost where you explained how it qualifies as a fallacy. That is precisely what those videos are explicitly about, Dave! It would be interesting for you to make some attempt to explain how these videos don't resolves those issues by moving the problem back into the realm...
  13. Clete

    What Time Dilation ACTUALLY Is In Relativity (Hint: It has nothing to do with time)

    The more I think about the implications here the more it blows my mind how important a concept this might really turn out to be. The aether, in effect, has to be presupposed to exist or else you end up with the convoluted, solipsistic mess that is the modern scientific community where every...
  14. Clete

    What Time Dilation ACTUALLY Is In Relativity (Hint: It has nothing to do with time)

    It's more than that it's arbitrary. The issue has to do with the fact that you cannot ever leave your own frame of reference. This is the point the second video was making when it talked about any attempt to measure the aether is inherently circular reasoning.
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    What Time Dilation ACTUALLY Is In Relativity (Hint: It has nothing to do with time)

    Once again, you show evidence that you have either not watched the videos or do not understand them. TIME DOES NOT EXIST!!!! No, it flatly is not, Dave. You showing up to say so doesn't count as an argument. It is only that much more evidence that you do not understand what is being talked...
  16. Clete

    What Time Dilation ACTUALLY Is In Relativity (Hint: It has nothing to do with time)

    No, we who are "moving" INTO the future by virtue of the fact that we experience one present moment after another and as they PASS by, they become the PAST and is now behind us, not in front. To say otherwise presupposes that the future is already there and that it is moving toward us in the...
  17. Clete

    What Time Dilation ACTUALLY Is In Relativity (Hint: It has nothing to do with time)

    They cannot be answered as asked. That's why it feels like you've not watched the videos, or if you have that you do not understand them. The same speed, relative to what? Again, this question cannot be answered as asked! Faster or slower, relative to what?
  18. Clete

    What Time Dilation ACTUALLY Is In Relativity (Hint: It has nothing to do with time)

    The second video in the opening post ends with a "to be continued". Do you know whether this video that you've linked to is the next video in the series? Their YouTube channel doesn't make it overtly clear which is intended to be the next in the series.
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    What Time Dilation ACTUALLY Is In Relativity (Hint: It has nothing to do with time)

    Alright, so I just finished re-watching the videos in the opening post and I have to say that they are both simply brilliant. The second video in particular might well be the most brilliant video I've ever seen on this topic. Almost nothing that has been said in the last week, including most of...
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