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  1. Clete

    On the omniscience of God

    I was talking about the false dichotomy of God's "Preceptive Will" vs. His "Decretive Will". There is no such dichotomy and the whole idea is irrational to begin with. If you think about it, at best, the latter is a subset of the former and so it turns God into this schizophrenic, forked...
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    On the omniscience of God

    Nope! God wants people to love Him. He is 100% incapable of forcing someone to love Him. No matter how badly He wants it, no matter what He does or doesn't do, if someone refuses to do it, there is nothing He can do to make it not so. There is no such dichotomy. People resist His will all the...
  3. Clete

    On the omniscience of God

    It isn't hard to figure out, it's impossible but not because it has to do with God but because it is inherently irrational to the point of insanity and it has nothing to do with God at all, much less any sort of wisdom. It is pagan Greek philosophy masquerading as Christianity.
  4. Clete

    On the omniscience of God

    There is NO SUCH THING as God's "Preceptive Will" vs. His "Decretive Will". That is purely and only a doctrinal construct designed to preserve the doctrines of exhaustive divine foreknowledge, and absolute sovereignty (i.e. total control of every event) and immutability. In short it is an ad...
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    Is Prophecy Being Fulfilled in the Dispensation of Grace?

    The problem is that you don't get to turn God's words into some nebulous allegory just because you want to. How is it not superior to take God to mean what He seems to mean by the plain reading unless you have some really clearly definable reason that would require you to do otherwise? In other...
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    Is Prophecy Being Fulfilled in the Dispensation of Grace?

    You said you were on an iOS device so I'm no help to you on that! Sorry.
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    Is Prophecy Being Fulfilled in the Dispensation of Grace?

    God Himself says otherwise. To the Body of Christ! Because He cannot deny Himself! Context, context, context!!! And a few that talk about Him having given Israel (the northern Kingdom) a certificate of divorce. It's just the prophet Jeremiah and Apostle Paul that said it, Glorydaz! You need...
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    Is Prophecy Being Fulfilled in the Dispensation of Grace?

    There is no need to interpret it. Just read it! It means just exactly what it plainly says. There can be sin where there is no law because you don't have to have the law to know right from wrong! The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was the ALTERNATIVE to God, right? Do you suppose that...
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    Is Prophecy Being Fulfilled in the Dispensation of Grace?

    I can say it because they are an almost totally secular nation and because they are not a kingdom and because they are so far away from trusting God that quasi-fascist God haters are in almost total control of the temple mount and would burn the place to the ground before letter a Jew get within...
  10. Clete

    On the omniscience of God

    You said that you had heard people say that God doesn't always get what He want and I pointed out that if you've read the bible, you've not only heard it, you've read it too. Sorry if I failed to make that clear. Not exactly a parable but even if it were, so what? Even granting it parable...
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    Is Prophecy Being Fulfilled in the Dispensation of Grace?

    Except that He absolutely did do so! Jeremiah 3:8 Then I saw that for all the causes for which backsliding Israel had committed adultery, I had put her away and given her a certificate of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear, but went and played the harlot also. It would help...
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    Is Prophecy Being Fulfilled in the Dispensation of Grace?

    No, Glorydaz, there was not. There has been one law - one. Not two or three or four. ONE! Yes, and the law of Moses is the fruit of that tree! No, it didn't. Not in the way you mean it. Morality has existed the whole time but that existed even before the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and...
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    Is Prophecy Being Fulfilled in the Dispensation of Grace?

    That much is not in dispute. The point is, however, that divorce is not inherently evil. God cannot rightly regulate something that is inherently evil. God, for example, doesn't ever say that rape is bad except for such and such a reason. There are good reasons for divorce to the point even that...
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    Is Prophecy Being Fulfilled in the Dispensation of Grace?

    Jesus did NOT change the law, Glorydaz! It has NEVER been required by the law to remain married to an adulterer or to an abusive spouse or to a spouse to rejects their faith and walks away from God. There was NO LAW before Moses. You understand that, right? It is a central aspect of the...
  15. Clete

    On the omniscience of God

    Such passages do not require God to know the whole future in advance, glorydaz! Again, we aren't suggesting that God is dumb or anything like that. We're simply saying that the idea that God knows absolutely everything there is to know, especially about future events, goes well beyond what the...
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    Is Prophecy Being Fulfilled in the Dispensation of Grace?

    Just to make it absolutely clear as crystal.... Divorce has NEVER been completely prohibited by the law - ever. Under the Mosaic Law, there were exceptions that allowed for divorce. In Deuteronomy 24:1-4, a provision is made for a man to divorce his wife if he finds "some uncleanness" in her...
  17. Clete

    On the omniscience of God

    Yeah, well, if you've read the bible then you've read it before too! I quoted LARGE passage of scripture that proves that God does not always get what He wants! Yeah, and David Koresh believed he was a "sinning Messiah". No one has suggested that God doesn't plan things. NOT in the sense...
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    Is Prophecy Being Fulfilled in the Dispensation of Grace?

    Saying it doesn't make it so. The nation exists today in name only and the reestablishment of David's throne doesn't appear to be anywhere on the horizon. You don't really believe that God is going to bring Adam or any of these other people back to life during the Millennium, do you? Based on...
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    On the omniscience of God

    Well, God is a really smart and wise person and so no one is suggesting that He doesn't have any idea what's going to happen or is anything close to as ignorant of the future as we are, but He doesn't have to know the future exhaustively in order to make prophesies possible. All He has to have...
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    Is Prophecy Being Fulfilled in the Dispensation of Grace?

    It seems like there's a lot of things that get stated twice in the book of Jeremiah. From post 163.... Of course Christ will sit on David's throne and so that would be one yet future fulfillment but that isn't happening until after the Tribulation period where there's tons of dead Jews all...
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