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Arthur Brain

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$400,000,000 so far on this gigantic monstrosity of a *ballroom* and kudos to Sen Blumenthal...

๐ƒ๐ž๐ฆ๐จ๐œ๐ซ๐š๐ญ๐ข๐œ ๐’๐ž๐ง. ๐‘๐ข๐œ๐ก๐š๐ซ๐ ๐๐ฅ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ž๐ง๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ฅ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐œ๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ญ๐ก๐ซ๐ž๐š๐ญ ๐š๐ ๐š๐ข๐ง๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ก๐ข๐ฆ โ€œ๐ฃ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฅ๐š๐ญ๐ž๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ข๐ง ๐š ๐ฌ๐ž๐ซ๐ข๐ž๐ฌ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ฎ๐ง๐ฅ๐š๐ฐ๐Ÿ๐ฎ๐ฅ ๐š๐œ๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฌโ€ ๐Ÿ๐ซ๐จ๐ฆ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐“๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ฉ ๐š๐๐ฆ๐ข๐ง๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ๐ซ๐š๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐ข๐ง ๐ข๐ญ๐ฌ ๐š๐ญ๐ญ๐ž๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ญ๐ฌ ๐ญ๐จ โ€œ๐ข๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐ฆ๐ข๐๐š๐ญ๐žโ€ ๐ฆ๐ž๐ฆ๐›๐ž๐ซ๐ฌ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐‚๐จ๐ง๐ ๐ซ๐ž๐ฌ๐ฌ, ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐ข๐ง๐ฏ๐ž๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ ๐š๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฌ ๐ข๐ง๐ญ๐จ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฉ๐ซ๐ž๐ฌ๐ข๐๐ž๐ง๐ญ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ข๐ž๐ฌ ๐ž๐ฑ๐ฉ๐ž๐œ๐ญ๐ž๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐š๐œ๐œ๐ž๐ฅ๐ž๐ซ๐š๐ญ๐ž ๐š๐Ÿ๐ญ๐ž๐ซ ๐ฆ๐ข๐๐ญ๐ž๐ซ๐ฆ ๐ž๐ฅ๐ž๐œ๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฌ ๐ฏ๐ข๐œ๐ญ๐จ๐ซ๐ข๐ž๐ฌ.

โ€œ๐˜๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ข๐ž๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ซ๐ž๐š๐ญ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐š๐ง ๐ข๐ง๐ฏ๐ž๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ ๐š๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐ข๐ฌ ๐›๐š๐ฌ๐ž๐ฅ๐ž๐ฌ๐ฌ,โ€ ๐๐ฅ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ž๐ง๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ฅ ๐Ÿ๐ข๐ซ๐ž๐ ๐›๐š๐œ๐ค ๐ข๐ง ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฅ๐ž๐ญ๐ญ๐ž๐ซ ๐ญ๐จ ๐”.๐’. ๐€๐ญ๐ญ๐จ๐ซ๐ง๐ž๐ฒ ๐€๐š๐ซ๐จ๐ง ๐‘๐ž๐ข๐ญ๐ณ. โ€œ๐ˆ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐›๐ž ๐ข๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐ฆ๐ข๐๐š๐ญ๐ž๐.โ€

๐๐ฅ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ž๐ง๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ฅ, ๐ฐ๐ก๐จ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ข๐ง๐œ๐จ๐ฆ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐œ๐ก๐š๐ข๐ซ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐š ๐ฌ๐ž๐ง๐š๐ญ๐ž ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐›๐œ๐จ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ข๐ญ๐ญ๐ž๐ž ๐จ๐ง ๐ข๐ง๐ฏ๐ž๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ ๐š๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฌ, ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐š๐ง๐ฌ ๐ญ๐จ โ€œ๐ฏ๐ข๐ ๐จ๐ซ๐จ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ฉ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ž ๐ข๐ง๐ฏ๐ž๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ ๐š๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฌ ๐ข๐ง๐ญ๐จ ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐š๐๐ฆ๐ข๐ง๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ๐ซ๐š๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐งโ€™๐ฌ ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ž ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ญ๐š๐ฑ๐ฉ๐š๐ฒ๐ž๐ซ ๐๐จ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐š๐ซ๐ฌ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐š๐ง๐ฒ ๐œ๐จ๐ซ๐ฉ๐จ๐ซ๐š๐ญ๐ž ๐ž๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐ญ๐ฒ ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ก๐š๐ฌ ๐ž๐ง๐š๐›๐ฅ๐ž๐ ๐ข๐ญ๐ฌ ๐›๐จ๐ฎ๐ง๐๐ฅ๐ž๐ฌ๐ฌ ๐œ๐จ๐ซ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฉ๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง,โ€ ๐ก๐ž ๐ฌ๐š๐ข๐.

 

JudgeRightly

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$400,000,000 so far on this gigantic monstrosity of a *ballroom* and kudos to Sen Blumenthal...

๐ƒ๐ž๐ฆ๐จ๐œ๐ซ๐š๐ญ๐ข๐œ ๐’๐ž๐ง. ๐‘๐ข๐œ๐ก๐š๐ซ๐ ๐๐ฅ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ž๐ง๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ฅ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐œ๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ญ๐ก๐ซ๐ž๐š๐ญ ๐š๐ ๐š๐ข๐ง๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ก๐ข๐ฆ โ€œ๐ฃ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฅ๐š๐ญ๐ž๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ข๐ง ๐š ๐ฌ๐ž๐ซ๐ข๐ž๐ฌ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ฎ๐ง๐ฅ๐š๐ฐ๐Ÿ๐ฎ๐ฅ ๐š๐œ๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฌโ€ ๐Ÿ๐ซ๐จ๐ฆ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐“๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ฉ ๐š๐๐ฆ๐ข๐ง๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ๐ซ๐š๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐ข๐ง ๐ข๐ญ๐ฌ ๐š๐ญ๐ญ๐ž๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ญ๐ฌ ๐ญ๐จ โ€œ๐ข๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐ฆ๐ข๐๐š๐ญ๐žโ€ ๐ฆ๐ž๐ฆ๐›๐ž๐ซ๐ฌ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐‚๐จ๐ง๐ ๐ซ๐ž๐ฌ๐ฌ, ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐ข๐ง๐ฏ๐ž๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ ๐š๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฌ ๐ข๐ง๐ญ๐จ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฉ๐ซ๐ž๐ฌ๐ข๐๐ž๐ง๐ญ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ข๐ž๐ฌ ๐ž๐ฑ๐ฉ๐ž๐œ๐ญ๐ž๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐š๐œ๐œ๐ž๐ฅ๐ž๐ซ๐š๐ญ๐ž ๐š๐Ÿ๐ญ๐ž๐ซ ๐ฆ๐ข๐๐ญ๐ž๐ซ๐ฆ ๐ž๐ฅ๐ž๐œ๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฌ ๐ฏ๐ข๐œ๐ญ๐จ๐ซ๐ข๐ž๐ฌ.

โ€œ๐˜๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ข๐ž๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ซ๐ž๐š๐ญ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐š๐ง ๐ข๐ง๐ฏ๐ž๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ ๐š๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐ข๐ฌ ๐›๐š๐ฌ๐ž๐ฅ๐ž๐ฌ๐ฌ,โ€ ๐๐ฅ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ž๐ง๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ฅ ๐Ÿ๐ข๐ซ๐ž๐ ๐›๐š๐œ๐ค ๐ข๐ง ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฅ๐ž๐ญ๐ญ๐ž๐ซ ๐ญ๐จ ๐”.๐’. ๐€๐ญ๐ญ๐จ๐ซ๐ง๐ž๐ฒ ๐€๐š๐ซ๐จ๐ง ๐‘๐ž๐ข๐ญ๐ณ. โ€œ๐ˆ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐›๐ž ๐ข๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐ฆ๐ข๐๐š๐ญ๐ž๐.โ€

๐๐ฅ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ž๐ง๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ฅ, ๐ฐ๐ก๐จ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ข๐ง๐œ๐จ๐ฆ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐œ๐ก๐š๐ข๐ซ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐š ๐ฌ๐ž๐ง๐š๐ญ๐ž ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐›๐œ๐จ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ข๐ญ๐ญ๐ž๐ž ๐จ๐ง ๐ข๐ง๐ฏ๐ž๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ ๐š๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฌ, ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐š๐ง๐ฌ ๐ญ๐จ โ€œ๐ฏ๐ข๐ ๐จ๐ซ๐จ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ฉ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ž ๐ข๐ง๐ฏ๐ž๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ ๐š๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฌ ๐ข๐ง๐ญ๐จ ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐š๐๐ฆ๐ข๐ง๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ๐ซ๐š๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐งโ€™๐ฌ ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ž ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ญ๐š๐ฑ๐ฉ๐š๐ฒ๐ž๐ซ ๐๐จ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐š๐ซ๐ฌ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐š๐ง๐ฒ ๐œ๐จ๐ซ๐ฉ๐จ๐ซ๐š๐ญ๐ž ๐ž๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐ญ๐ฒ ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ก๐š๐ฌ ๐ž๐ง๐š๐›๐ฅ๐ž๐ ๐ข๐ญ๐ฌ ๐›๐จ๐ฎ๐ง๐๐ฅ๐ž๐ฌ๐ฌ ๐œ๐จ๐ซ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฉ๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง,โ€ ๐ก๐ž ๐ฌ๐š๐ข๐.


$400M is probably justified. Having foreign dignitaries and US leaders protected during events in the modern era is not a light undertaking.

Add onto that fact that it needs to meet certain building standards for historic preservation demands just increases the cost.

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Arthur Brain

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$400M is probably justified. Having foreign dignitaries and US leaders protected during events in the modern era is not a light undertaking.

Add onto that fact that it needs to meet certain building standards for historic preservation demands just increases the cost.

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Or, he could have just left the East wing well alone and not wasted millions of taxpayer dollars on yet another pet vanity project. Chances are it won't get built anyway and need demolishing. Meanwhile, it's a monstrosity that dwarfs the WH.
 

Arthur Brain

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Talk about monumentally delusional...

Trump: ๐ˆ ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ง๐ค ๐ฆ๐ฒ ๐ฅ๐ž๐ฏ๐ž๐ฅ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฉ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐š๐ซ๐ข๐ญ๐ฒ ๐ฆ๐š๐ฒ๐›๐ž ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ก๐ข๐ ๐ก๐ž๐ซ ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ง ๐ข๐ญ ๐ฐ๐š๐ฌ, ๐ˆ'๐ฆ ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ž, ๐›๐ฎ๐ญ ๐ข๐ญ ๐Ÿ๐ž๐ž๐ฅ๐ฌ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฆ๐ž ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ข๐ญ ๐ฐ๐จ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ ๐›๐ž ๐ก๐ข๐ ๐ก๐ž๐ซ. ๐Ž๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ซ ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ง ๐ฐ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ก๐š๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ž๐ง๐ž๐ ๐ข๐ง ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฆ๐ข๐๐ญ๐ž๐ซ๐ฆ๐ฌ," ๐ก๐ž ๐œ๐ฅ๐š๐ข๐ฆ๐ž๐.

Yes Donny, other than being 80 years old, you're in the prime of ya life!

What an absolute clown. Republicans sorely need someone like John McCain if they're ever going to restore some credibility again...

 

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Or, he could have just left the East wing well alone and not wasted millions of taxpayer dollars on yet another pet vanity project.

It may be a vanity project, but there's at least good reasons for it.

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Arthur Brain

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It may be a vanity project, but there's at least good reasons for it.

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Um, no. Much like his other vanity projects, there's no actual need for it and it's a costly disaster, much like the reflecting pool and all born out of his shallowness. Right now, The WH is wrecked (not just the East wing) and the "ballroom" is a gigantic mess and likely to remain that way. Some "gift to the nation" - especially considering taxpayer dollars are being used to foot the bill...
 

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26 Therefore do not fear them. For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known.

Oh you full of fraud and deceit.
 

Arthur Brain

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26 Therefore do not fear them. For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known.

Oh you full of fraud and deceit.

Wow, a whole bunch of your own posts from X. Well, they just settle everything then.

Do you wear a foil hat for practical purposes or as a fashion accessory?

*kookoo*
 

JudgeRightly

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Um, no. Much like his other vanity projects, there's no actual need for it

Unlike the UK, the US is still a first-world nation. Hosting foreign dignitaries safely is one of the things we need to be able to do.

Using outdoor tents because we don't have enough interior space in the place designated for such events, brings other nations' opinions of us down.

Thus, the upgrades are needed, not only for our benefit, but for the benefit and safety of those visiting.

and it's a costly disaster,

You certainly have a right to your opinion.

But it doesn't mean your opinion is right.

much like the reflecting pool and all born out of his shallowness. Right now, The WH is wrecked (not just the East wing) and the "ballroom" is a gigantic mess and likely to remain that way.

Yes, that tends to happen with construction and rennovation projects.

But do rest assured, the mess only remains until work is completed.

Some "gift to the nation" - especially considering taxpayer dollars are being used to foot the bill...

Roughly half of the project is taxpayer-funded.

The rest is funded from private donors.
 

Arthur Brain

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Unlike the UK, the US is still a first-world nation. Hosting foreign dignitaries safely is one of the things we need to be able to do.

Using outdoor tents because we don't have enough interior space in the place designated for such events, brings other nations' opinions of us down.

Thus, the upgrades are needed, not only for our benefit, but for the benefit and safety of those visiting.

Hmm, resorting to childishness here too, JR? The UK is classed as a first world nation as I'm sure you're aware, we've even had the *pleasure* of playing host to the likes of Trump.

Upgrades would have been fair enough. A gigantic ballroom isn't an upgrade...

You certainly have a right to your opinion.

But it doesn't mean your opinion is right.

Quite a common one you'll find, including among conservatives.

Yes, that tends to happen with construction and rennovation projects.

But do rest assured, the mess only remains until work is completed.

Chances are, Trump will be out and it'll be nowhere near completion by then. He doesn't exactly have a glowing track record on building projects after all...

Roughly half of the project is taxpayer-funded.

The rest is funded from private donors.

Heck, he should pay for it all himself and not charge taxpayers a single dime, frankly. He wastes enough taxpayer money as it is.
 
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A gigantic ballroom isn't an upgrade...

Going from being able to seat 200 guests on the inside to around 1000, in addition to eliminating the need for outdoor tents, is an upgrade regardless of your opinions of it, Arthur.

On top of that, it being a secure above-ground cover for a multi-story underground military and emergency complex, replacing the aging Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC), building bomb- and missile-resistant defenses, and adding counter-drone infrastructure following foiled security threats, are also much needed upgrades.

Quite a common one

The popularity of an idea does not make it right, either.

That's called an appeal to popularity.
 

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Going from being able to seat 200 guests on the inside to around 1000, in addition to eliminating the need for outdoor tents, is an upgrade regardless of your opinions of it, Arthur.

On top of that, it being a secure above-ground cover for a multi-story underground military and emergency complex, replacing the aging Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC), building bomb- and missile-resistant defenses, and adding counter-drone infrastructure following foiled security threats, are also much needed upgrades.

He could have made upgrades without destroying the East wing of the WH and building a gigantic monstrosity that's likely to never even see completion. This was simply a vanity project, much like his "triumphal arch" and reflecting pool and at the expense of taxpayers. If it was a project undertaken with security and practical considerations then it may have been viable. It wasn't and isn't.

The popularity of an idea does not make it right, either.

That's called an appeal to popularity.

Nor does it make it wrong by the same token. No other president has desecrated the WH like Trump has, so it's little to no surprise it's unpopular from all sides of the political aisle. (barring MAGA cultists and Trump sycophants of course)
 

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He could have made upgrades without destroying the East wing of the WH and building a gigantic monstrosity that's likely to never even see completion. This was simply a vanity project, much like his "triumphal arch" and reflecting pool and at the expense of taxpayers. If it was a project undertaken with security and practical considerations then it may have been viable. It wasn't and isn't.

Are you a broken record or something?

Or is bashing Trump because you don't like how he does things all you can do?

And I pointed out earlier that the upgrades include many security and defense upgrades.

Nor does it make it wrong by the same token. No other president has desecrated the WH like Trump has, so it's little to no surprise it's unpopular from all sides of the political aisle. (barring MAGA cultists and Trump sycophants of course)

Your opinion is just that: your opinion. Whether it is shared or not, by any number of people, does not change that fact.
 

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Are you a broken record or something?

Or is bashing Trump because you don't like how he does things all you can do?

And I pointed out earlier that the upgrades include many security and defense upgrades.

So far it's just an eyesore dwarfing the WH with no forseeable completion date. If security upgrades were priority then he didn't need to demolish the entire East wing of the WH or build a ballroom in order to accomplish that. It, like all his other pet vanity projects, deserve to be criticized because they're a waste of taxpayer money.

Your opinion is just that: your opinion. Whether it is shared or not, by any number of people, does not change that fact.

Well, it's fact that no other president has desecrated the WH as Trump has, not solely opinion and the same could be said of your opinions by themselves alone. Prevailing opinion at the midterms was a resounding 'no' to Trump's administration and presidency. It's also fact that he's the most immature, narcissistic and childish president in your country's history. There's all manner to support that. Want the list?
 
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So far it's just an eyesore dwarfing the WH with no forseeable completion date.

Opinion. And wrong, to boot.

The projected completion date is August 2028, approximately five months before the end of Trump's presidency.

In case you've forgotten about that earlier claim of yours.

If security upgrades were priority then he didn't need to demolish the entire East wing of the WH or build a ballroom in order to accomplish that.

And what evidence do you have to support that assertion?

The project involves considerably more than simply constructing a ballroom. It includes underground military and presidential security facilities, bomb shelters, medical facilities, and structural defenses against various threats.

In fact, according to the federal government's own engineering assessments (pages 2โ€“3), the original East Wing was structurally inadequate to accommodate those facilities. The aboveground construction is also intended to provide protection for the facilities underneath.

So, on what basis are you asserting that the existing East Wing could have accommodated these improvements?

It, like all his other pet vanity projects, they deserve to be criticized because they're a waste of taxpayer money.

Opinion. That taxpayer money is being spent is not in dispute. That the money is being wasted is a conclusion you have yet to substantiate.

Well, it's fact that no other president has desecrated the WH as Trump has, not solely opinion

Again, opinion.

The White House has undergone numerous substantial renovations throughout its history, including Truman's reconstruction, which involved completely gutting and rebuilding the interior of the Executive Residence.

Whether any particular renovation constitutes "desecration" is a matter of judgment, not an objective fact merely because you declare it so.

and the same could be said of your opinions by themselves alone.

Certainly. Which is precisely why I'm distinguishing between opinions and factual claims that can be supported with evidence.

Prevailing opinion at the midterms was a resounding 'no' to Trump's administration and presidency.

And what does that have to do with whether the White House renovations are necessary or beneficial?

Election results can certainly demonstrate dissatisfaction with an administration. They do not, by themselves, establish that any particular construction project is unjustified.

It's also fact that he's the most immature, narcissistic and childish president in your country's history. There's all manner to support that. Want the list?

You seem to have difficulty distinguishing between fact and opinion, Arthur.

And even if I granted your characterization of Trump for the sake of argument, what would that establish about the necessity, cost, or merits of the White House renovations?

Absolutely nothing.
 

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Opinion. And wrong, to boot.

The projected completion date is August 2028, approximately five months before the end of Trump's presidency.

In case you've forgotten about that earlier claim of yours.



And what evidence do you have to support that assertion?

The project involves considerably more than simply constructing a ballroom. It includes underground military and presidential security facilities, bomb shelters, medical facilities, and structural defenses against various threats.

In fact, according to the federal government's own engineering assessments (pages 2โ€“3), the original East Wing was structurally inadequate to accommodate those facilities. The aboveground construction is also intended to provide protection for the facilities underneath.

So, on what basis are you asserting that the existing East Wing could have accommodated these improvements?



Opinion. That taxpayer money is being spent is not in dispute. That the money is being wasted is a conclusion you have yet to substantiate.



Again, opinion.

The White House has undergone numerous substantial renovations throughout its history, including Truman's reconstruction, which involved completely gutting and rebuilding the interior of the Executive Residence.

Whether any particular renovation constitutes "desecration" is a matter of judgment, not an objective fact merely because you declare it so.



Certainly. Which is precisely why I'm distinguishing between opinions and factual claims that can be supported with evidence.



And what does that have to do with whether the White House renovations are necessary or beneficial?

Election results can certainly demonstrate dissatisfaction with an administration. They do not, by themselves, establish that any particular construction project is unjustified.



You seem to have difficulty distinguishing between fact and opinion, Arthur.

And even if I granted your characterization of Trump for the sake of argument, what would that establish about the necessity, cost, or merits of the White House renovations?

Absolutely nothing.

Was this written with the aid of AI? If so, which I strongly suspect it was, can you not just write your own posts without it cos I'm not interested in engaging with chat GPT or whatever thanks...

I'll pick up on a coupla points. Projected completion date is August 2028? Well, take that with a pinch of proverbial salt, still waiting for his wall to be completed and the reflecting pool is an ongoing farce. What about security considerations in the meantime? There was no need for a ballroom or to demolish the East wing to improve security and make upgrades.

I can distinguish between fact and opinion just fine thanks. Trump acts like a risible, petulant manchild, fact, be it his bonkers meltdowns on social media to the way he talks to reporters and journalists who put him on the spot. Try and refute it.
 
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