On the omniscience of God

Clete

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I love your reply. I do love it, muah! muah! muah! (kissing your words).

So, because my opinion is based on the Bible, then what I wrote will be invalid because is my personal opinion.
Perhaps it is, but no one here, least of all me, cares what your personal opinions are. To what degree someone is interested in your personal opinions, you might have a conversation about them but it would be fruitless in regard to any search for the truth of the matter.

The simple fact is that what is or is not just, isn't up to you, nor is it a matter of opinion. To whatever degree your personal opinions happen to agree with the objective facts has to do with the degree of reason applied in forming them, not in the fact that you happen to hold them.

In short, this is a debate forum, not your personal blog. You're welcome to express all the personal opinions you like, just don't pretend like you've made an actual argument by presenting them.

What I have understood from the Bible, is that I must obey the word of God, however, that this is not just obeying blindly but obeying with knowledge.
Terrific!

My point is simply that your having understood it, doesn't count as evidence for it's validity.

David Koresh understood himself to be a "sinning Messiah" and could quote you the bible, by memory, until you were both blue in the face. Didn't make him right!

The biblical part I was thinking when I wrote my post, was "eye for an eye". Got it? It is not "eyes, ears and fingers for an eye", but justice is "eye for an eye". Justice is mostly represented with a woman with covered eyes and a weight scale in one hand. Curiously most people care more about justice as blind and pay no attention -in purpose- that the weight of the punishment must keep balance with the weight of the fault.
I agree.

Ever give any thought to the fact that she is depicted as willfully blind? She's not incapable of sight but is blinded. Blinded to what?

The law of God, and better to also include "the law of Moses", seems to be exaggeratedly hard in some cases and soft in other cases. And followers are to obey the law. However, what the law itself was made for, if you know?

hmmm?
Talk down to me again and it will the last syllable of yours I will ever read.

When you show some respect. We can continue. Assuming that you care to make actual arguments. Your personal opinions are boring.
 
Perhaps it is, but no one here, least of all me, cares what your personal opinions are. To what degree someone is interested in your personal opinions, you might have a conversation about them but it would be fruitless in regard to any search for the truth of the matter.

The simple fact is that what is or is not just, isn't up to you, nor is it a matter of opinion. To whatever degree your personal opinions happen to agree with the objective facts has to do with the degree of reason applied in forming them, not in the fact that you happen to hold them.

In short, this is a debate forum, not your personal blog. You're welcome to express all the personal opinions you like, just don't pretend like you've made an actual argument by presenting them.


Terrific!

My point is simply that your having understood it, doesn't count as evidence for it's validity.

David Koresh understood himself to be a "sinning Messiah" and could quote you the bible, by memory, until you were both blue in the face. Didn't make him right!


I agree.

Ever give any thought to the fact that she is depicted as willfully blind? She's not incapable of sight but is blinded. Blinded to what?


Talk down to me again and it will the last syllable of yours I will ever read.

When you show some respect. We can continue. Assuming that you care to make actual arguments. Your personal opinions are boring.
I see. Your problem lays in my postings started with the words "in my opinion..."

Good, ignore those words and discuss the content following them.

No matter how smart your way to evade a simple question, if you don't know the answer then at least give "your" opinion about what the Law of God was made for. Don't worry, I will validate your opinion as worthy to be considered.
 

Clete

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I see. Your problem lays in my postings started with the words "in my opinion..."
Yes, you got it exactly. I have this instinct, a near compulsion, to press people away from discussing matters of fact in terms of their personal opinion, especially when it comes to doctrinal matters that touch on the very character of God Himself.

Good, ignore those words and discuss the content following them.
Ignore the words that degrade right and wrong down to a mere matter of opinion? I doubt that I am capable of it.

No matter how smart your way to evade a simple question, if you don't know the answer then at least give "your" opinion about what the Law of God was made for. Don't worry, I will validate your opinion as worthy to be considered.
I do not evade questions! I may sometimes refuse to answer, but I generally tell people that so that there's no confusion about what is happening.

Having said that, if you've spent any good amount of time dealing with people who call themselves Christian on supposedly Christian discussion forums, I could understand why you'd suspect that I was being evasive.



I would have to say that the question you've asked requires context to know just what answer you're looking for. You've asked a broad question and so you'll have to tolerate a broad answer....


The over arching purpose of the law is to reveal sin and point people toward righteousness.

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.​
Romans 7:13 Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful.
Galatians 3:24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.​

Furthermore, there are two and only two things in scripture that have a ministry of death, the law and the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Just as the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil killed Adam (spiritually) so the law kills us...

Romans 7:9 I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died.​

...for without the law sin in not imputed...

Romans 5:13 For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.​

...but Christ, has undone the curse...

Romans 5:15 But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. 16 And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification. 17 For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)​
18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.​
...and we who are in Christ must not place ourselves under the law (for righteousness sake)...

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”​
Galatians 5:2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.​


Now, that is an almost criminally abbreviated treatment of this subject matter, but it will suffice to communicate the answer to the question. I'm sure you'll notice that I do not present it as my personal opinion. In it NOT my opinion. These are biblical facts. Facts that have a depth of detail and meaning that can hardly be expressed at all in this format and that touch on issues as critical as God's own character and the meaning of words like "justice", "righteousness" and "morality" and pertain to whether one's beliefs and overall worldview are fully integrated and coherent. In other words, they touch on the very definition of truth itself.
 

Derf

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Yes, you got it exactly. I have this instinct, a near compulsion, to press people away from discussing matters of fact in terms of their personal opinion, especially when it comes to doctrinal matters that touch on the very character of God Himself.
And what @inthebeginning was trying to convey was that when he reads such and such passages, he understands them in so and so way, graciously allowing that others might have a better understanding than his, in which case he would likely change his opinion. But if we treat our understanding as the only understanding that is allowed, we cannot possibly ever grow by learning from someone else.
 
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