What was the appearance of the three [LORD,lords] who visited Abraham.

So, for you to say

oatmeal said:

I can see His works in and around my life with my physical eyes.

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is for you to say

oatmeal said:

I can see God

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(and vice versa)?

Yet, God's works are not God, right? And God is not His works, right? Why, then, would you bring up things that aren't God, saying that you can see them, when you are being questioned as to why you said both "I can see God" and "I cannot see God"? No one asked you if you can see things that aren't God.

Observe this irrelevant thing you wrote:

oatmeal said:

I am seeing God's handiwork

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You'd have actually had something to gripe about, had I only quoted this much of it:

oatmeal said:

I am seeing God

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and left off this bit of it:

oatmeal said:

's handiwork

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But I didn't do that.

Beyond the superficial commonality in the bare fact of my use of excerption, what I did do is not like that, and you have no right to complain about what I did do. What I did do is I excerpted this portion of your words:

oatmeal said:

I can see God

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from a little larger portion of your words:

oatmeal said:

I can see God by the works that He does.

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Contrary to your griping, nothing is wrong with my having done that.

Your griping about it is akin in its asininity to, if you had written

I went to the liquor store by a different route than I usually take.

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and I had quoted just this much of what you wrote

I went to the liquor store

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your griping about my having so quoted.

But, had you also written:

I've never gone to the liquor store.

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and I juxtaposed that to your other words:

I went to the liquor store

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how ridiculous it would be for you to imagine it could be somehow helpful to you to complain about my having not included your words "by a different route than I usually take" in my excerpt! Think how dumb it would sound for you to trot out the "context matters" slogans! Yet, it's the same situation with your whining about my having excerpted and juxtaposed together your two passages as I did:

oatmeal said:

I can see God

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oatmeal said:

I cannot see God

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The fact that you had added your words "by the works that He does" after your words "I can see God" does not make disappear the fact that you wrote both "I can see God" and "I cannot see God".

7djengo7 said:

So, for you to say

is for you to say

(and vice versa)?

Yet, God's works are not God, right? And God is not His works, right? Why, then, would you bring up things that aren't God, saying that you can see them, when you are being questioned as to why you said both "I can see God" and "I cannot see God"? No one asked you if you can see things that aren't God.

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That is right, God's works are not God.

oatmeal said:

That is right, God's works are not God.

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Then answer the question I asked you, weasel:

7djengo7 said:

Why, then, would you bring up things that aren't God, saying that you can see them, when you are being questioned as to why you said both "I can see God" and "I cannot see God"?

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Remember what you said to me, hypocrite:

oatmeal said:

Did you read all of what I posted.

No, obviously, you did not.

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I give you the benefit of the doubt, taking that to be you advertising that it is your policy to read all of what your critic/questioner has posted, pursuant to "And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise." So, I know you read that question to you that I posted:

7djengo7 said:

Yet, God's works are not God, right? And God is not His works, right? Why, then, would you bring up things that aren't God, saying that you can see them, when you are being questioned as to why you said both "I can see God" and "I cannot see God"? No one asked you if you can see things that aren't God.

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Please explain your failure to answer that question that you have read.

7djengo7 said:

Then answer the question I asked you, weasel:


Remember what you said to me, hypocrite:

I give you the benefit of the doubt, taking that to be you advertising that it is your policy to read all of what your critic/questioner has posted, pursuant to "And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise." So, I know you read that question to you that I posted:

Please explain your failure to answer that question that you have read.

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God's actions represent God 100% accurately. Without God's creation and works including His words, we do not know God whatsoever, let alone exist. We see God via his works and His word including the word in the flesh Jesus Christ. As Jesus Christ clearly stated, he who has seen me has seen the Father.

John 14:9
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

Because I have seen Jesus Christ through God's recorded words, ie., scripture. I can genuinely say that I have seen Jesus Christ. I have seen him through the words that God authored to describe his character, his words, his actions. If you cannot know Jesus Christ through the knowledge of God's word, then we are of all men most miserable.

The Word was God.

oatmeal said:

Did you read all of what I posted.

No, obviously, you did not.

To sum up:

I explained myself quite thoroughly.. I cannot see God with my physical eyes, but I can see His works in and around my life with my physical eyes. God, being spirit, is invisible to the physical eyes, but His works are not invisible. Since I can see His works. I am seeing God's handiwork

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Hi Oatmeal, I once asked how can God's being invisible and yet LORD God being seen is also true. The answer came: Mankind may be limited but don't limit God. This is how it works: The ONE God is an invisible Spirit; yet, Genesis 1 tells us he had an image. The image is not God but is like a living visible tool used by God to reveal himself unto mankind. Where mankind has a bodily image he can only used it once. He has not poere to manifest it in multiples. God is not limited. Most Christians believe in the three personages of the Godhead; so, I accept that the ONE God is willing and able to manifest his ONE image in triplicate. When Abraham saw the ONE God he was looking at the bodily form created by God manifested in triplicate. Since there is only ONE image for the ONE invisible God then the Lords who appeared to Abraham looked alike! The fact that God can manifest his ONE image simultaneously as multiple is why Jesus [being God as the Savior] could correctly say: When you have seen me, you have seen the Father [God]. Jesus was God not only because he bore the image created by the invisible God but because he was ONE with God Spiritually. The invisible God associated himself with the Savior he sent into the world and imparted what ever Jesus needed to know. The body was not God but the Spirit associated with Jesus was just as much God as was the Father who preceded him.

Isaiah 43:11 I, [God the invisible Spirit], even I, AM the LORD; beside me [being God the Spirit plus the visible presence of the LORD] there is no Savior. The Spirit + the super-natural presence created by God as the Father LORD God +the presence of our Lord Jesus [ The three while ONE]

Key to help anyone understand is this: An invisible God created a visible walking talking living image for his personal use. He then used it to appear as the OT super-natural visible Father and gave his presence A NAME! KJV - LORD/YHWH/Jehovah/ All of these represent the ONE God appearing unto mankind. The came the Savior ... still the ONE God as Isaiah 43:11 states and also appearing in the likeness of the ONE God's ONE image. The main differences which stand out to me, are the Father was seen as a supernatural eternal entity / with angelic abilities. Because he could speak audibly with a mouth he brought messages from the ONE God unto mankind. He also performed works in his day. Then came God the Son ... who was also seen bearing God's one image. He also audibly spoke the WORDs of God through his mouth. He was just as much the WORD of God as was the Father. Yet his presence was in mortal flesh for the purpose of sacrifice as the Savior. It took the blood and body of Jesus, who was God, to provide salvation for mankind.

Jesus explained it well: When you have seen me you have seen the Father. We are ONE.
Scripture adds another nuance besides in appearance ... he was spiritually one with the Father ... for Jesus, whom God has sent, speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. The Father loveth the Son, and hath given ALL THING into his hand. John 3:34-35

Ps82 said:

Now, what did the three identical Lords look like when they appeared to Abraham?
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Now, what did the three identical Lords look like when they appeared to Abraham?
Lamentations 4 ... Over view: Discusses the captivity of the Kingdom of Judah due to the sins of the people with death, hunger, and ruin. God brought this on them. Verses 6-8 bring up the visit with Abraham by the three Lords.
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6 For the punishment of the iniquity of the daughter of my people is greater than the punishment of the sin of Sodom, that was overthrown as in a moment, and no hands stayed on her.

7 Her [Sodom's] Nazarites [the three who delivered judgement] were purer than snow [sinless], they were whiter [skin] than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies [a red head's bodily characteristics], and their polishing [shiny eyes] was of sapphire .

Now how do I know verse 7 is talking about the physical appearance of the three Lords? Look at verse 8. The appearance in verse 7 of the three perfect Nazarites, who went into town and who delivered judgment, is contrasted to the horrible appearance of the people of Sodom after judgement fell upon them.

8 Their [the people of Sodom's] visage [appearance] is blacker than a coal; they are not known in the streets [unidentifiable]: their skin cleaveth to their bones; it is withered, it is become like a [I suggest a burned] stick.

These three Lords all had white complexations, with a ruddy red head appearance, and blue eyes. Because they all looked alike the men of the town that night knew to go to Lot's house to get the other two and run then all out of town. They were the angriest with THE ONE fellow, who stayed in the streets that night, looking around and judging them. In fact, they were roughing him up and shoving him against Lot's door but he blinded them so they no longer saw him and so they wandered away. The three Lords then finished their mission.

BTW, wasn't this what Lord Jesus, being God the Savior, did when the mob of Jews were trying to kill him. He spiritually blinded them and they could no longer see him even though he had just been in their midst? He walked out of their midst and they soon left.
that was overthrown as in a moment, and no hands stayed on her.

7 Her [Sodom's] Nazarites [the three who delivered judgement] were purer than snow [sinless], they were whiter [skin] than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies [a red head's bodily characteristics], and their polishing [shiny eyes] was of sapphire blue.

Now how do I know verse 7 is talking about the physical appearance of the three Lords? Look at verse 8. The appearance in verse 7 of the three perfect Nazarites, who went into town and who delivered judgment, is contrasted to the horrible appearance of the people of Sodom after judgement fell upon them.

8 Their [the people of Sodom's] visage [appearance] is blacker than a coal; they are not known in the streets [unidentifiable]: their skin cleaveth to their bones; it is withered, it is become like a [I suggest a burned] stick.

These three Lords all had white complexations, with a ruddy red head appearance, and blue eyes. Because they all looked alike the men of the town that night knew to go to Lot's house to get the other two and run then all out of town. They were the angriest with THE ONE fellow, who stayed in the streets that night, looking around and judging them. In fact, they were roughing him up and shoving him against Lot's door but he blinded them so they no longer saw him and so they wandered away. The three Lords then finished their mission.

BTW, wasn't this what Lord Jesus, being God the Savior, did when the mob of Jews were trying to kill him. He spiritually blinded them and they could no longer see him even though he had just been in their midst? He walked out of their midst and they soon left.

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