How does one determine, using the scientific method, that the earth is billions of years old?

[iouae]

It looks as if you haven't done any thinking about what has been presented.

Folks say a lot without saying much. Nobody is prepared to tell me when these 99% died. So there is nothing to consider on my part. Maybe you would like to have a go Stripe.

And folks mock at the idea that man living with dinos would be like Jurassic Park the movie. But it would be.

 

[Right Divider]

Another thing.

Another thing that is still not on topic...

If all animals now being discovered as fossils lived simultaneously pre-flood, earth would have been100 times more crowded.

That is not a problem. The earth is very large.

That would have meant 100 times more competition for the limited herbs, and 100 times more competition for prey.

Again, not a problem.

Earth would have been hell not paradise.

Your judgement is worthless.

And God would not have had to frighten Adam with thorns.

Again, that is NOT what the Bible says.

Adam would have been terrified of the dinosaurs roaming outside Eden, he would have welcomed the thorns to make a boma (enclosure) to keep them out.

Fairy tales are for children.

 

[Right Divider]

Folks say a lot without saying much.

Take a look at your posts.

Nobody is prepared to tell me when these 99% died. So there is nothing to consider on my part. Maybe you would like to have a go Stripe.

Many, many life forms died during the Flood.

And folks mock at the idea that man living with dinos would be like Jurassic Park the movie. But it would be.

What does any of this have to do with the topic of this thread?
Get on topic or I'll have the admins boot you from this thread.

 

[Stripe]

Folks say a lot without saying much. Nobody is prepared to tell me when these 99% died.

The 99 percent idea does not fit the Biblical description of what happened.

You're taking an evolutionist's assumptions and insisting that we have to work with them.

We have mutually exclusive assumptions.

And folks mock at the idea that man living with dinos would be like Jurassic Park the movie. But it would be.

What?

 

[Right Divider]

The 99 percent idea does not fit the Biblical description of what happened.

It's possible that the 2's and 7's account for 1% of the life on earth at that time. But he's certainly got another agenda in mind.

 

[iouae]

Many folks think that the 7 days of creation week are an elaboration on Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

They think that creating light on Day 1 etc. is explaining how in the beginning God did His creating.

And that is where they go so wrong IMHO.

In the beginning God did create the heaven and the earth. But in none of the days 1-6 is there any day on which God creates earth. Day 2 onwards assumes there is water and earth to manipulate already present. Take for instance Gen 1:9 "And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry landappear: and it was so."

Here God is not making land for the first time, but God is instead gathering water together so that the land which is already present can appear. Thus proving in the beginning God had already created the heavens and the earth but only in Gen 1:9 does the earth rise above the seas.

When one accepts that Gen 1:1 precedes in time the 7 days of creation week, then Gen 1:1 can occur at any time, including 13.5 billion years before Gen 1:3 or Day 1 of Recreation week.

Thus Science provides truth, and the Bible provides truth. The Bible was never intended to teach us science, just as science textbooks don't pretend to teach theology.

Case in point. Science tells us that earth is 4.5 billion years old, and that the universe is 13.5 billion years old.
Thus it is poor theology to say "In THE beginning God created the heaven and the earth" because the beginning of earth was 4.5 billion years ago and the beginning of the universe was 13.5 billion years ago. Thus there are clearly at least two different beginnings, one for the universe, and one for the earth.

And when one checks out the original Hebrew we see that this is a mistranslation to say "In THE beginning..."
There is no definite article "the" in Gen 1:1. What it should read is more to the effect "To begin, Gods (pl) created the heavens (pl) and the earth."

The whole focus and point of the author was to emphasise the fact that Gods (pl) made everything. But it is not saying all at one time.

 

[Right Divider]

Many folks think that the 7 days of creation week are an elaboration on Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

The creation week was actually six days of creation and a day off.

They think that creating light on Day 1 etc. is explaining how in the beginning God did His creating.

Yes, because that is what it says.

And that is where they go so wrong IMHO.

You opinion is neither humble nor correct.

In the beginning God did create the heaven and the earth.

How generous of you.

But in none of the days 1-6 is there any day on which God creates earth.

Nonsense. It says that He did that on day ONE.

Gen 1:1-2 (AKJV/PCE)
(1:1) In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (1:2) And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

 

[7djengo7]

So, in other words JR you don't know when the 99% died. There is no explanation for their death. If they had come to Noah they would have been saved, but somehow they did not do that.

You keep parroting these meaningless percentage numbers that you are pulling out of your imagination.

What "99%" are you even talking about? 99% of how many individuals? Tell us the number of individuals you are saying died when you say "the 99% died".

Its the greatest mass-murder-mystery.

What are you even talking about? Whom are you accusing of murder? And whom are you accusing them of murdering?

 

[Stripe]

It's possible that the 2's and 7's account for 1% of the life on earth at that time. But he's certainly got another agenda in mind.

I think this is a "she" we're talking to, no?

The "99 percent" idea I thought was a reference to the number of species that are found in the fossil record that are not around today.

 

[Stripe]

earth would have been100 times more crowded.

Where do you get that idea?

 

[iouae]

The creation week was actually six days of creation and a day off.

Yes, because that is what it says.

You opinion is neither humble nor correct.

How generous of you.

Nonsense. It says that He did that on day ONE.

Gen 1:1-2 (AKJV/PCE)
(1:1) In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (1:2) And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

You are the first person I know who says God created earth on Day 1 . Most folks say that God created light on day 1. And Gen 1:3-5 prove this. God only calls the light good. He does not call his newly created earth good.

Gen 1:3
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And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
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Gen 1:4
And God saw the light, that it was good: and God dividedthe light from the darkness.
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Gen 1:5
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he calledNight. And the evening and the morning were the firstday.

Also, if God created earth on Day 1, why create it without form and void meaning in chaotic and confused state? Why not do a good job and create it right from the start?

The answer is that God is in a process of removing the chaos and confused (tohu and bohu in the Hebrew) state earth had fallen into. It takes God 7 days to renew earth back to a state where life can again thrive.

You are incorrect RD in saying God created earth on Day 1. He allowed light to penetrate to where the Spirit of God was hovering, on the face of the waters (which were already there).

 

[iouae]

Where do you get that idea?

Do the maths. 1% of all animals which have ever lived, are alive today. If all animals which ever lived were on earth today would the earth not have 100% more life on it?

 

[Right Divider]

You are the first person I know who says God created earth on Day 1 .

Welcome to the truth!

Most folks say that God created light on day 1. And Gen 1:3-5 prove this. God only calls the light good. He does not call his newly created earth good.

The Bible says that He created the heavens and the earth on day one.

 

[Right Divider]

Do the maths.

Do the English language.

1% of all animals which have ever lived, are alive today.

You do not know this by any actual science.

If all animals which ever lived were on earth today would the earth not have 100% more life on it?

Funny story. Write a fairy tale and I'll buy it for my grand-kids to read.

 

[iouae]

You keep parroting these meaningless percentage numbers that you are pulling out of your imagination.

What "99%" are you even talking about? 99% of how many individuals? Tell us the number of individuals you are saying died when you say "the 99% died".



What are you even talking about? Whom are you accusing of murder? And whom are you accusing them of murdering?

99% of the four billion species that have evolved on Earth are now gone.

Biodiversity

Explore the diversity of wildlife across the planet. What are species threatened with? What can we do to prevent biodiversity loss?

ourworldindata.org

 

[Stripe]

Do the maths. 1% of all animals which have ever lived, are alive today. If all animals which ever lived were on earth today would the earth not have 100% more life on it?

I think you've read something you don't quite understand.

When evolutionists say that 99 percent of things have died, they are referring to the extinction of species, not the total number of animals that are alive.

 

[7djengo7]

When one accepts that Gen 1:1 precedes in time the 7 days of creation week, then Gen 1:1 can occur at any time, including 13.5 billion years before Gen 1:3 or Day 1 of Recreation week.

So you're trying to sell the Gap Theory?

 

[7djengo7]

99% of the four billion species that have evolved on Earth are now gone.

Biodiversity

Explore the diversity of wildlife across the planet. What are species threatened with? What can we do to prevent biodiversity loss?

ourworldindata.org

What (if anything) do you mean by your word, "species"? We do not find it in Genesis. Since Moses, the author of Genesis, does not say your word, "species," obviously he does not mean anything by your word, "species".

iouae: <NO ANSWER>

 

[iouae]

So you're trying to sell the Gap Theory?

Yes.

But actually I am selling something far better.

Gen 1:1 when read in the KJV seems to be talking about a specific beginning, one beginning, the beginning of everything.

In fact the author is only saying "To begin this account, Gods created the heavens and the earth".

It is speaking of the beginning of this account or story called Genesis. "To begin this story you need to understand that Gods created everything you see today".

This is a subtle but hugely different thing than what most Christians read. The author is referring to the beginning of his story, Christians read it as the beginning of the creation.

 

[iouae]

7djengo7 said:
What (if anything) do you mean by your word, "species"? We do not find it in Genesis. Since Moses, the author of Genesis, does not say your word, "species," obviously he does not mean anything by your word, "species".

Nitpicking. Species (science), kind (Bible).