Stolen Valor - the glory of liars

[marke]

No, good men (and women) do.

Good politicians do the jobs they were appointed and/or elected to do. Which will not always comport with their chosen religious ideology or principals. And if they cannot fulfill the responsibilities of their political office because to do so would unacceptably compromise their religious principals, they should not seek, accept, or continue in political office. For them to do so would be dishonest and unfair to the people that elected or appointed them to that office.

Wrong. Good politicians tell the truth about where they stand and if they get elected they do not change their views or values no matter who or how many oppose them. Bad politicians lie about where they stand in hopes that good people will elect them and if elected the bad politicians promote their own ideas and agendas no matter what the majority of voters want. That has proven true with mask and quarantine mandates, abortion on demand, and sexual perversion taught in schools, among others.

Bad politicians are those that don't fulfill the requirements and responsibilities of the political positions they were appointed and/or elected to fulfill. What you or I consider constructive or destructive policy is irrelevant, as we are living in a democracy; wherein the citizenry as a whole decide the policies, not you or I or our religious beliefs, alone.

The citizenry as a whole wanted Trump elected and America to be made great, not the illegitimate WH squatter who is turning America into a cesspool third word impoverished nation of uncivilized deplorables fashioned in the image of Alinsky and Marx.

 

[PureX]

Good politicians tell the truth about where they stand and if they get elected they do not change their views or values no matter who or how many oppose them.

Oh, you mean like those 5 republican appointed SC justices that lied to Congress and the American people to cheat the system and gain seats on the court so they could force their religious and political views into law?

If they had told the truth about their "values" they would never have been approved to sit on the court, and they knew it. So they lied. And do you care? Or do you just ignore and justify their dishonesty because they support ideals that you support? Didn't you vote for the politicians that put these liars forward, and applaud them when they were put through because you hoped they were lying, and would then show their true colors once they got a majority on the court?

Honest politicians don't use the ignorance, selfishness, and bias of the citizens to justify gaining positions of power so they can then subvert the political process, ignore the laws of the land, and then foul the intent and well-being of the nation. An honest Christian does not seek political office to subvert it for his own selfish purposes, no matter how righteous he thinks he is, or how willing his ignorant, biased, and foolish constituents are to go along with him. And shame on the voters for letting their own selfishness and ignorance justify ignoring the laws and principals of the nation and deliberately electing such willfully dishonest and unqualified people to political office, and to the highest court in the land.

 

[ok doser]

Oh, you mean like those 5 republican appointed SC justices that lied to Congress and the American people to cheat the system and gain seats on the court so they could force their religious and political views into law?

If they had told the truth about their "values" they would never have been approved to the sit on the court, and they knew it. So they lied. And do you care? Or do you just ignore and justify their dishonesty because they support ideals that you support? Didn't you vote for the politicians that put these liars forward, and applaud them when they were put through because you hoped they were lying, and would then show their true colors once they got a majority on the court?

Honest politicians don't use the ignorance, selfishness, and bias of the citizens to justify gaining positions of power so they can then subvert the political process, ignore the laws of the land, and the foul the intent and well-being of the nation. An honest Christian does not seek political office to subvert it for his own selfish purposes, no matter how righteous he thinks he is, or how willing his ignorant, biased, and foolish constituents are to go along with him. And shame on the voters for letting their own selfishness and ignorance justify ignoring the laws and principals of the nation and deliberately electing such willfully dishonest and unqualified people to political office.

 

[marke]

Oh, you mean like those 5 republican appointed SC justices that lied to Congress and the American people to cheat the system and gain seats on the court so they could force their religious and political views into law?

If they had told the truth about their "values" they would never have been approved to sit on the court, and they knew it. So they lied. And do you care? Or do you just ignore and justify their dishonesty because they support ideals that you support? Didn't you vote for the politicians that put these liars forward, and applaud them when they were put through because you hoped they were lying, and would then show their true colors once they got a majority on the court?

Honest politicians don't use the ignorance, selfishness, and bias of the citizens to justify gaining positions of power so they can then subvert the political process, ignore the laws of the land, and then foul the intent and well-being of the nation. An honest Christian does not seek political office to subvert it for his own selfish purposes, no matter how righteous he thinks he is, or how willing his ignorant, biased, and foolish constituents are to go along with him. And shame on the voters for letting their own selfishness and ignorance justify ignoring the laws and principals of the nation and deliberately electing such willfully dishonest and unqualified people to political office, and to the highest court in the land.

I'm sorry for those who whine about God's influence in society, but their sorrows are just beginning if they never repent of their sins and get saved.

 

[marke]

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A leftist version of a dumbed-down global warming school bus?

 

[ok doser]

A leftist version of a dumbed-down global warming school bus?

Purex and rusha are two peas in a retarded pod, relying on others to tell them what to think and what opinions to have. Notice Purex's confidence in asserting that the justices in question lied and cheated. Notice also that when challenged to support that assertion he runs like a scared little girl.

 

[User Name]

I Googled "People who lied about their military service." Here is one site that offered a list of only 8 who misrepresented their service.

8 people who lied about their military service

Veterans Affairs Secretary Robert McDonald is hardly the first public figure to famously embellish his military service record.

www.wptv.com

Eight people are listed, but who was not listed?

Madison Cawthorn:

Just weeks away from the North Carolina primary, a super PAC tied to a leading Republican is out with a new ad attacking freshman Congressman Madison Cawthorn.

The ad from Results for NC, which is aligned with Sen. Thom Tillis, accuses Cawthorn of lying about fellow republicans and getting accepted into the U.S. Naval Academy.

“Lying about conservatives, stolen Valor, Madison Cawthorn lies for the limelight,” says the ad.

“I think it’s a fairly hard-hitting ad that goes after the congressman. It certainly doesn’t pull any punches when it says, basically, that Madison Cawthorn has been lying for a considerable amount of time,” said Dr. Michael Bitzer, a political science professor at Catawba College.

New ad aligned with Sen. Thom Tillis takes aim at Madison Cawthorn

Just weeks away from the North Carolina primary, a super PAC tied to a leading Republican is out with a new ad attacking freshman Congressman Madison Cawthorn.

www.fox46.com

 

[PureX]

I'm sorry for those who whine about God's influence in society, but their sorrows are just beginning if they never repent of their sins and get saved.

It's not God's influence that presents society a problem. It's individuals that take it upon themselves to decide what God wants, who is sinning against God and how, and that they need to be punished for their sins. It's the religious zealots among us that think they are in charge of deciding for everyone else what God is, and what God wants, and that it's their job to force us all to comply.

They are not God. And they are not appointed by God to do as they think God wants. Because they do not have the knowledge of anyone else's sins, nor do they possess the mind or intent of God as they falsely presume they do. And as a result they are antithetical to a free society in which the citizens decide for themselves who God is and how best to conduct their own lives in that regard.

The founders understood very well the danger these zealots posed, historically, and that they could not be allowed to gain control of governmental power in the United States. Which is why they expressly forbade the mixing of church and state. But of course the zealots disagreed with this restriction. Because they still believe they are and should be in charge of everyone else's theology and morality. And so they continue, by lies and deceptions and whatever means they can muster to force themselves and their religion on everyone around them.

Like blatantly lying to and cheating the public to gain positions in the judiciary where they can then force their religious decrees onto the general public. This is the kind of people these zealots are, and have always been. They despise real freedom because they covet control. And they will destroy any culture they inhabit with oppression, strife, and violence if given the chance. Just look around the world and throughout history. Religious zealotry is self-righteousness become poisonous.

 

[ok doser]

It's not God's influence that presents society a problem. It's individuals that take it upon themselves to decide what God wants

Did God want the Buffalo shooter to murder the 10 victims he killed?

who is sinning against God and how,

Was the Buffalo shooter sinning when he murdered the 10 victims he killed?

and that they need to be punished for their sins.

Should the Buffalo shooter be punished for the sin of murdering the 10 victims he killed?

... blatantly lying to and cheating the public to gain positions in the judiciary

Which lies?
Be specific

How did they cheat?
Be specific

where they can then force their religious decrees onto the general public.

Religious decrees like thou shalt not murder?

 

[marke]

Madison Cawthorn:

Just weeks away from the North Carolina primary, a super PAC tied to a leading Republican is out with a new ad attacking freshman Congressman Madison Cawthorn.

The ad from Results for NC, which is aligned with Sen. Thom Tillis, accuses Cawthorn of lying about fellow republicans and getting accepted into the U.S. Naval Academy.

“Lying about conservatives, stolen Valor, Madison Cawthorn lies for the limelight,” says the ad.

“I think it’s a fairly hard-hitting ad that goes after the congressman. It certainly doesn’t pull any punches when it says, basically, that Madison Cawthorn has been lying for a considerable amount of time,” said Dr. Michael Bitzer, a political science professor at Catawba College.

New ad aligned with Sen. Thom Tillis takes aim at Madison Cawthorn

Just weeks away from the North Carolina primary, a super PAC tied to a leading Republican is out with a new ad attacking freshman Congressman Madison Cawthorn.

www.fox46.com

Cawthorne had an appointment to the Naval Academy, a rare honor, but was sidelined by an auto accident. The details of his rejection by the Academy remain secret. I once had a guaranteed appointment to West Point as top of the class at USMAPS but I turned it down to focus on Christian mission work instead.

 

[marke]

It's not God's influence that presents society a problem. It's individuals that take it upon themselves to decide what God wants, who is sinning against God and how, and that they need to be punished for their sins. It's the religious zealots among us that think they are in charge of deciding for everyone else what God is, and what God wants, and that it's their job to force us all to comply.

They are not God. And they are not appointed by God to do as they think God wants. Because they do not have the knowledge of anyone else's sins, nor do they possess the mind or intent of God as they falsely presume they do. And as a result they are antithetical to a free society in which the citizens decide for themselves who God is and how best to conduct their own lives in that regard.

The founders understood very well the danger these zealots posed, historically, and that they could not be allowed to gain control of governmental power in the United States. Which is why they expressly forbade the mixing of church and state. But of course the zealots disagreed with this restriction. Because they still believe they are and should be in charge of everyone else's theology and morality. And so they continue, by lies and deceptions and whatever means they can muster to force themselves and their religion on everyone around them.

Like blatantly lying to and cheating the public to gain positions in the judiciary where they can then force their religious decrees onto the general public. This is the kind of people these zealots are, and have always been. They despise real freedom because they covet control. And they will destroy any culture they inhabit with oppression, strife, and violence if given the chance. Just look around the world and throughout history. Religious zealotry is self-righteousness become poisonous.

Christians and good Americans are not in the dark. We have the Bible. We have the Constitution. Ane we have hundreds of years of tried and proven moral laws. By ignoring those things and violating laws and seeking to overthrow civilized norms the left moves to and fro in the dark without guidance or foundation.

 

[User Name]

Cawthorne had an appointment to the Naval Academy, a rare honor, but was sidelined by an auto accident.

Cawthorn wasn't sidelined from the Naval Academy by the auto accident. The Naval Academy rejected him before the accident happened. Cawthorn straight-up lied about that. Stolen valor!

 

[marke]

Cawthorn wasn't sidelined from the Naval Academy by the auto accident. The Naval Academy rejected him before the accident happened. Cawthorn straight-up lied about that. Stolen valor!

You might be right. I never got the impression Cawthorn knew the Lord and believed the Bible, so it does not surprise me if he is also a liar just like all other lost sinners. I hope the young politician was not evil-influenced by older politicians with more experience.

 

[Gary K]

That's irrelevant. They also believed in the separation of church and state.

Again, the connection is irrelevant. They based their laws on the principals of equal freedom and justice for all through a government by the people, and for the people. That may comport with many religious ideologies and doctrines, or it may not. Either way, it's irrelevant happenstance, as it's an ideology unto itself.

Prosperity and power are not a measure of morality. In fact, it's usually quite the contrary. What we have become is grotesquely selfish and greedy. And now that greed and selfishness is destroying us as a nation and a people.

Once again you miss the point. It wasn't until we as a nation abandoned the founding principles that we became, as a nation, greedy and completely selfish. That's exactly what the Jews did time and time again. They walked away from God's principles and acted like the devil. It's the history of mankind,

Any and every nation that has abandoned God's law has always become evil and liberty and freedom are the foundation of God's government. To say that is irrelevant and that liberty and freedom are simply ideological and could come from any source is simply ignorant. There is no other source of liberty and freedom for the principles of the devil's kingdom are exactly the opposite.

 

[ok doser]

That's irrelevant. They also believed in the separation of church and state.

Some of them did. Some of them didn't.

They all recognized the overwhelming necessity of a population controlled by morality.

Prosperity and power are not a measure of morality.

They are the measure of the utility of morality, when achieved through moral means and for moral ends.

In fact, it's usually quite the contrary.

This is one of those things you believe in your black soul but can never defend and will never be persuaded away from.

What we have become is grotesquely selfish and greedy.

this is another one of those things that you believe in your black soul but can never defend and will never be persuaded away from.

It's easily disproven by comparing us (I assume you're referring to the country) to other countries. We are the third biggest country in the world. Are we more or less "grotesquely selfish and greedy" compared to India or compared to China?

 

[Gary K]

You might be right. I never got the impression Cawthorn knew the Lord and believed the Bible, so it does not surprise me if he is also a liar just like all other lost sinners. I hope the young politician was not evil-influenced by older politicians with more experience.


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So you're going to ignore the decades of behaviour by US politicians and that there is a long history of using sexual blackmail to control them. The fact that one of the most corrupt Republicans in history condemned Cawthorn for telling the truth is meaningless to you. You do know he works hand in hand with McConnel to split the Republican primary voting so the conservative vote gets split resulting in RINOs winning in the primaries and canceling out your vote don't you?

Epstein took just as many Republicans on the Lolita Express and to his island as he did Democrats.

 

[marke]

So you're going to ignore the decades of behaviour by US politicians and that there is a long history of using sexual blackmail to control them. The fact that one of the most corrupt Republicans in history condemned Cawthorn for telling the truth is meaningless to you. You do know he works hand in hand with McConnel to split the Republican primary voting so the conservative vote gets split resulting in RINOs winning in the primaries and canceling out your vote don't you?

Epstein took just as many Republicans on the Lolita Express and to his island as he did Democrats.

I fail to see why you think I am ignoring corruption in politics dating back to the beginning of our nation.

 

[Gary K]

I fail to see why you think I am ignoring corruption in politics dating back to the beginning of our nation.

When the only party you ever speak of as utterly corrupt, cheating, lying, comitting fraud, etc... is the Democrat party how could I think that? You also point to Republicans as the saviors of this country because they are going to over rule Democrats. The party system has done just what Washington warned us it would. It's corrupted both parties and corruption never ousts corruption.

 

[marke]

When the only party you ever speak of as utterly corrupt, cheating, lying, comitting fraud, etc... is the Democrat party how could I think that? You also point to Republicans as the saviors of this country because they are going to over rule Democrats. The party system has done just what Washington warned us it would. It's corrupted both parties and corruption never ousts corruption.

I do not say republicans are saviors or that they will rule. I say the democrat party has provided refuge for rebels against God for more than a hundred years. Republicans as a general rule are not threatening to burn down the country if Roe v. Wade is overturned. Republicans are not perverting courts to allow crooks to go unpunished. Republicans are not forcing sexual perversions and transgender confusion into children at school, the democrats are doing that.

I could go on but you should see the point. Either you will vote against the wicked the best you can or you will not vote at all.

 

[Gary K]

I do not say republicans are saviors or that they will rule. I say the democrat party has provided refuge for rebels against God for more than a hundred years. Republicans as a general rule are not threatening to burn down the country if Roe v. Wade is overturned. Republicans are not perverting courts to allow crooks to go unpunished. Republicans are not forcing sexual perversions and transgender confusion into children at school, the democrats are doing that.

I could go on but you should see the point. Either you will vote against the wicked the best you can or you will not vote at all.

Those are my options.