THE MYSTERY KEPT SECRET

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And you have the nerve to complain about my English. :french:



Wonderful... Paul did not keep his gospel to himself.

There are many gospels in the Bible.

Wow, good grief. YOU SAID Paul calls it his gospel because it was given to him first! That is ridiculous because Paul calls is OUR gospel.

Paul is speaking to people who have NOT HEARD about the one and only gospel that saves, the one gospel that Peter and the other disciples preached. THEY HAVEN'T HEARD OF PETER AND WHAT HE TAUGHT.

 

[clefty]

I gave you scriptures that SAY THE LAW HAS BEEN CHANGED.

LOL...yes yes...the Law was transferred from one administration to another...

You still keep the other 9 yes? or did those change too? LOL

There are no more shadows that we are to go by anymore BECAUSE THE BODY THAT MADE THOSE SHADOWS CAME.

Jesus is the body and the LIGHT.

There are no shadows in light.

Lord of the Sabbath made Light and Night...and the setting of the sun its rising too...

and you like the MAD insist that the cross did away with the Law..."not for me"..

.they claim Paul taught that...you agree and claim He did that at the cross

 

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Different mysteries.... you cannot wave your magic wand and make them the same identical mystery.

I gave you many scriptures showing it is the SAME MYSTERY.

 

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LOL...yes yes...the Law was transferred from one administration to another...

You still keep the other 9 yes? or did those change too? LOL

I keep more than ten.

Lord of the Sabbath made Light and Night...and the setting of the sun its rising too...

and you like the MAD insist that the cross did away with the Law..."not for me"..

.they claim Paul taught that...you claim He did that at the cross

There is a new law.

It is the law of grace.

That is something you fall away from, because you have no understanding and want to be justified by the old law.

 

[clefty]

I keep more than ten.

just not the 4th one...LOL

so its a 9/10ths apostleship

There is a new law.

love everybody? already found in the OT...

It is the law of grace.

also found in the OT...by FAITH...receive grace...then OBEY HIM...

as Paul teaches all things OT were shadows and NOT FOR YOU right?....Yup YOU MAD...Sabbath does that to you...LOL

kinda like Eve received grace NOT being killed but covered in skins and sent on her way...was she able to keep disobeying? Did she teach Cain to murder? LOL

I mean Sinai hadn't dispensed yet right? LOL

That is something you fall away from, because you have no understanding and want to be justified by the old law.

you really are being obnoxiously rude with how many times you falsely accuse me of this...

your reprobate mind has blinded you that AFTER faith and the receiving of grace we are to OBEY...even in the NT...and the SAME OT Laws He kept...

 

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just not the 4th one...LOL

so its a 9/10ths apostleship

No one is supposed to obey a shadow anymore.

love everybody? already found in the OT...

That is good, but Jesus came and taught also love your enemies.

also found in the OT...by FAITH...receive grace...then OBEY HIM...

Give the scripture in the Old Testament that says we have to have faith and about grace.

as Paul teaches all things OT were shadows and NOT FOR YOU right?....Yup YOU MAD...Sabbath does that to you...LOL

You are laughing at God's written words.

Nowhere does the Bible says some people still have to obey shadows and not Jesus.

kinda like Eve received grace NOT being killed but covered in skins and sent on her way...was she able to keep disobeying? Did she teach Cain to murder? LOL

I mean Sinai hadn't dispensed yet right? LOL

That is some weird unreasonable talk.

you really are being obnoxiously rude with how many times you falsely accuse me of this...

That is another of your lies about me.

your reprobate mind has blinded you that AFTER faith and the receiving of grace we are to OBEY...even in the NT...and the SAME OT Laws He kept...

That is what your mind is.

 

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That is what you do to others.

• No, I don't
• And even if I did, would that justify YOU LYING?

You're sick and you need serious help.

 

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I gave you many scriptures showing it is the SAME MYSTERY.

No... you didn't. Your mind is warped.

 

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Peter preached Jesus died for our sins.

Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

...and that Jesus was raised from the dead.

Acts 5:31 God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might bring Israel to repentance and forgive their sins.

...and that we have to believe in Jesus.

Acts 10:43 All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”

Paul taught the exact same thing

 

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The Jews knew that the lamb's blood was for the forgiveness. of sins!

Even John the baptizer proclaimed that Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.

It is the mystery that people had to have revealed to them, and there are some people who still don't get it.


Leviticus 17:11 For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make an atonement for your souls upon the altar, since it is the lifeblood that makes atonement.

Hebrews 9:22 In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

Genesis 22:7 Then Isaac said to his father Abraham, "My father!" "Here I am, my son," he replied. "The fire and the wood are here," said Isaac, "but where is the lamb for the burnt offering?"

Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed and afflicted, yet He did not open His mouth. He was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so He did not open His mouth.

John 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

1 John 3:5 But you know that Christ appeared to take away sins, and in Him there is no sin.

 

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Peter preached Jesus died for our sins.

Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

...and that Jesus was raised from the dead.

Acts 5:31 God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might bring Israel to repentance and forgive their sins.

...and that we have to believe in Jesus.

Acts 10:43 All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”

Paul taught the exact same thing

Notice things about Peter's comments in Acts 2-5:

• "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins"
  NOTE: Repent and be baptized... NOT believe that Jesus died for your sins.
  Do you believe that water baptism is required for the body of Christ? (If you do, you are wrong).
  NOTE: No mention about what Christ's death on the cross did.
• Note that Peter is preaching to "Ye men of Israel" (Acts 2:22)
• Act 5:30 KJV The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
  Do you think that this is a pronouncement of "good news" about the cross?
  Nowhere there do you find that. That comes later with PAUL.
• Acts 10:43... AGAIN... fails to mention Christ's death on the cross as the method for the forgiveness of sins.
  That's a very glaring oversight.

I realize that you will understand none of this.

 

[God's Truth]

Notice things about Peter's comments in Acts 2-5:

• "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins"
  NOTE: Repent and be baptized... NOT believe that Jesus died for your sins.
  Do you believe that water baptism is required for the body of Christ? (If you do, you are wrong).
  NOTE: No mention about what Christ's death on the cross did.
• Note that Peter is preaching to "Ye men of Israel" (Acts 2:22)
• Act 5:30 KJV The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
  Do you think that this is a pronouncement of "good news" about the cross?
  Nowhere there do you find that. That comes later with PAUL.
• Acts 10:43... AGAIN... fails to mention Christ's death on the cross as the method for the forgiveness of sins.
  That's a very glaring oversight.

I realize that you will understand none of this.

All have to repent of their sins to be saved and do the ceremonial promise to God to die to the sins of the world and rise up and live to please Jesus.


Picture how baptism looks…the believer comes to make the pledge to God, to die to the sins of the world; so now standing in the water the believer falls back, as if dead; then, the believer goes under the water, buried; then, the believer rises up out of the water, raises up to live a new life.

Romans explain this perfectly.

Romans 6:4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.


Water baptism is a symbol of what has already happened in one’s heart.

See 1 Peter 3:21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

 

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Isaiah

The LORD has made his life a sacrifice for our wrongdoings. See Isaiah 53:10.
It was the LORD’s will to crush him with suffering. See Isaiah 53:10.
Jesus bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. See Isaiah 53:12

Jesus

God sanctifies us by the truth; His word is truth. John 17:17.
Jesus sanctified himself, that he may truly sanctify us. John 17:19.
God has given us eternal life and this life is in His Son. John 3:16.
All who reject Jesus will one day face God’s wrath. John 3:36
His words are life. John 6:63


Peter

He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed. 1 Peter 2:24.
2 Peter 2:9 if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of Judgment.

John

Jesus appeared so that he might take away our sins. See 1 John 3:5.
He who has the Son has life; He who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 1 John 5:12.

Paul

God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. 2 Corinthians 5:21 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross. See Colossians 1:19-21.
1 Corinthians 15:3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,

The exact same message from all.



I have scriptures from Hebrews too. Do you believe Paul wrote Hebrews? I also have scriptures from Romans.

 

[clefty]

No one is supposed to obey a shadow anymore.

sure they are! Paul was quite clear

Let no one but the BOC

judge you the keeping of sabbaths

As they ARE STILL shadows...

see? quite clear

That is good, but Jesus came and taught also love your enemies.

oh so THAT eliminates the seventh day Sabbath? LOL

can we love our enemies on the Sabbath?

That way when the Romans come to seige the city you won’t have to flee your enemy on the Sabbath...LOL

so THAT explains Matt 24:20...LOL

Give the scripture in the Old Testament that says we have to have faith

ok...

“Behold the proud,
His soul is not upright in him; (that’s you all your clever rejections to Him His way)

But the just shall live by his faith.”

Hab 2:4

got it?

]and about grace.

But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord” Gen 6:8

You are laughing at God's written words.[

Nowhere does the Bible says some people still have to obey shadows

I just showed you...

Paul was clear

let no none judge you but the BOC your keeping the sabbaths...as they are shadows of the good things STILL TO COME...even after Jesus came and left

and not Jesus.

as hard as you try to disobey and NOT be living like He did

you would think there WAS a New Commandment

Do NOT listen to Jesus or follow Him...or live like He did...

Yup that is you...

That is some weird unreasonable talk.

Eve received grace by NOT being killed but covered in skins and sent on her way...

was she able to keep disobeying? Did she teach Cain to murder?

I mean Sinai hadn't dispensed the 10 commandments yet right?

What is so weird and unreasonable about that...

it is exactly what you and your MAD claim...the Law was not for me...but just Jews or something...

That is another of your lies about me.

NOPE you constantly continue to claim I attempt to justify myself through the Law...

when I being SAVED merely wish to live as He did...

you know cuz He asked us to...

those of us known as His people to which a Sabbatismos still is given...

That is what your mind is.

Titus 1:16

, "They profess to know God, but by their deeds they deny Him, being detestable and disobedient and ​

worthless​

for any good deed."

that is you your "every day is holy eat whatever" is NOT as He lived...

and yet you claim you abide in Him WITHOUT living LIKE Him.​

 

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Romans explain this perfectly.

Romans 6:4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.[/COLOR][/FONT]

Water baptism is a symbol of what has already happened in one’s heart.

There is not a single drop of water in Romans 6:4

This is a classic case of "Churchianity".

Baptism INTO DEATH has nothing to do with water.

 

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There is not a single drop of water in Romans 6:4

This is a classic case of "Churchianity".

Baptism INTO DEATH has nothing to do with water.

There was no water in Rome?

 

[clefty]

There was no water in Rome?

LOL

jews took it all to wash their ovens and stoves

 

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There was no water in Rome?

That was a moronic statement.

 

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sure they are! Paul was quite clear

Let no one but the BOC

judge you the keeping of sabbaths

As they ARE STILL shadows...

see? quite clear

There were Jews who did NOT believe that faith in Jesus’ blood cleans us---they still wanted to do the purification works of the law.
They were UNSAVED JEWS.
They were unsaved because they would rather obey a shadow than the Lord who made the shadow.

 

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oh so THAT eliminates the seventh day Sabbath? LOL

can we love our enemies on the Sabbath?

That way when the Romans come to seige the city you won’t have to flee your enemy on the Sabbath...LOL

so THAT explains Matt 24:20...LOL

Jesus taught something more than just love your neighbor, he taught love your enemies too.

Look at how much you laugh at that.

Jesus said flee to the mountains and pray it not be in winter---because it would be harsh conditions.

Jesus also said and pray it not on the Sabbath---because the gates in Jerusalem would be locked.