LA doctor says hydroxychloroquine treatment cures coronavirus in 8 to 12 hours.

God's Truth

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Clorox or insertion of UV light into my kidneys?
No, medication for inflammation like hydroxychloroquine.

Hey people are talking about it? What do you have to lose?

I have never heard of putting Clorox into kidneys. Are you saying this is a treatment given for some diseases by doctors?

In my case I would take the advice of my daughter, an infectious disease doc in NYC. She continues to indicate there is no proven treatment,
Your daughter says there is no proven treatment so she does nothing? It's not like the corona virus has been around long enough for drugs to be made for it like TB.

that at least in NYC the number of cases are down, she is "happy" to see tuberculosis cases again, because she can treat that.
It has been an extremely stressful several months for her and her ID doc husband at a different hospital as well. The US did a terrible job dealing with this disease.

What could people like your daughter have done better as a US doctor knowledgeable in infectious diseases? What do you think the US could have done for you to say they did a good or fair job?

Did you hear the news about the whistle blower nurse who said the hospital she worked at in NY were putting people without the corona virus with those who had it even though they were supposed to keep them apart and that the patients who didn't have it got it from the hospital doing that?
 

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Why is it you guys can't seem to wait to expose your ignorance, and lack of knowledge?

This is the context in which I use the word idiot. Not the way you guys choose to interpret it. There's a really good tool for actually understanding the English language.. It's called a dictionary. And the older the dictionary the better they are. I haven't found a recent dictionary that is even close to as good as the old Webster's dictionaries. From the beginning of the 3rd grade I pored over a Webster's dictionary published in the early 1900's. Like the one I quoted from above: Websters 1913 edition. The dictionary I pored over for years was 12" thick and printed on very fine, thin, paper. What do you think my reading and comprehension level was by the time I graduated from the 8th grade? It was my self-education that gave me an advanced adult reading comprehension level by the time I was 10 years old. My formal education couldn't match it for knowledge and understanding.

That you leftists put huge emphasis on a college degree as the be and end-all meaning of education you cannot understand that life is self-education and that self-education is far more important than a college degree. A college degree is nothing more than a starting point for anything in life. Say you get a degree in IT. You get a job and all of a sudden realize that the value of your education is much, much less than you thought it was. There is so much to learn. You're at nothing but a raw neophyte and your employer is going to have to spend a ton of money to get you up to speed in what they need you to do. Your real life learning curve will be much much steeper and far more extensive than your formal education ever required of you.

I can read your posts and see your inability to reason via critical thinking skills just like a pool shark can watch someone play pool for a few seconds understand instinctively that person's level of skill. You show your ignorance, lack of self-education, and how ill-informed you are all the time. Thus the usage of the word "idiot".

You limit yourself intentionally too. Why? Because you will only look at one side of a question. You won't educate yourself by reading and studying conservative thought and ideas so you can actually understand the point of view. You run from conservative ideas all the time. You seem to think that you will be fatally contaminated by studying the ideas. That is just plain old self-destructiveness for limiting yourself to only one point of view is self-limiting your own understanding and you become very vulnerable to being manipulated by those in whom you have chosen to trust because all you will study and attempt to truly understand is a single point of view. Those thought leaders can, and will, manipulate you at will and you will never even begin to understand that you are being manipulated.


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You do love your own words. So enjoy them yourself.
 

Arthur Brain

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No, medication for inflammation like hydroxychloroquine.



I have never heard of putting Clorox into kidneys. Are you saying this is a treatment given for some diseases by doctors?


Your daughter says there is no proven treatment so she does nothing? It's not like the corona virus has been around long enough for drugs to be made for it like TB.



What could people like your daughter have done better as a US doctor knowledgeable in infectious diseases? What do you think the US could have done for you to say they did a good or fair job?

Did you hear the news about the whistle blower nurse who said the hospital she worked at in NY were putting people without the corona virus with those who had it even though they were supposed to keep them apart and that the patients who didn't have it got it from the hospital doing that?

If that's the case then those responsible for lumping patients together need to be prosecuted.
 

God's Truth

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chair Jonahdog


Did you hear what that whistle blower nurse said about the hospitals in New York how they were FORBIDDEN to use hydroxychloroquine on their patients and more people are dying there. than in Florida where she also worked and where they used that drug. She also said that the standard of care for patients with corona virus in New York is to put them on a ventilator. She said that she believes it is because the Governor Cuomo ordered so many ventilators and didn't want to look bad for not using them.
 

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(CNN) The Food and Drug Administration has revoked its emergency use authorization for the drugs hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine for the treatment of Covid-19.

Hydroxychloroquine was frequently touted by President Donald Trump, and he has claimed to have used it himself.

After reviewing the current research available on the drugs, the FDA determined that the drugs do not meet "the statutory criteria" for emergency use authorization as they are unlikely to be effective in treating Covid-19 based on the latest scientific evidence, the agency noted on its website on Monday.

"FDA has concluded that, based on this new information and other information discussed in the attached memorandum, it is no longer reasonable to believe that oral formulations of HCQ and CQ may be effective in treating COVID-19, nor is it reasonable to believe that the known and potential benefits of these products outweigh their known and potential risks," FDA chief scientist Denise Hinton wrote in a letter to Gary Disbrow of the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA) on Monday.Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine have been tied to serious cardiac events as well as other side effects among Covid-19 patients.

"Accordingly, FDA revokes the EUA for emergency use of HCQ and CQ to treat COVID-19," Hinton wrote in the letter, using abbreviations for hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine. "As of the date of this letter, the oral formulations of HCQ and CQ are no longer authorized by FDA to treat COVID-19."

-- https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/15/politics/fda-hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus/index.html
 

God's Truth

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(CNN) The Food and Drug Administration has revoked its emergency use authorization for the drugs hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine for the treatment of Covid-19.

Hydroxychloroquine was frequently touted by President Donald Trump, and he has claimed to have used it himself.

After reviewing the current research available on the drugs, the FDA determined that the drugs do not meet "the statutory criteria" for emergency use authorization as they are unlikely to be effective in treating Covid-19 based on the latest scientific evidence, the agency noted on its website on Monday.

"FDA has concluded that, based on this new information and other information discussed in the attached memorandum, it is no longer reasonable to believe that oral formulations of HCQ and CQ may be effective in treating COVID-19, nor is it reasonable to believe that the known and potential benefits of these products outweigh their known and potential risks," FDA chief scientist Denise Hinton wrote in a letter to Gary Disbrow of the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA) on Monday.Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine have been tied to serious cardiac events as well as other side effects among Covid-19 patients.

"Accordingly, FDA revokes the EUA for emergency use of HCQ and CQ to treat COVID-19," Hinton wrote in the letter, using abbreviations for hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine. "As of the date of this letter, the oral formulations of HCQ and CQ are no longer authorized by FDA to treat COVID-19."

-- https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/15/polit...rus/index.html

You have fake news from Trump haters.

Controversial research into the effectiveness of COVID-19 drug hydroxychloroquine is coming under scrutiny as experts raise “serious scientific questions” about the data used.

A database by the Chicago company Surgisphere Corp. was used in an observational study of nearly 100,000 patients published on May 22 in the influential Lancet journal that tied the malaria drugs hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine to a higher risk of death in hospitalized patients with the virus.

The validity of the data, however, has been called into question. The Guardian reports that Surgisphere “has so far failed to adequately explain its data or methodology” and says that the company’s “handful of employees appear to include a science fiction writer and an adult-content model.”

https://www.foxnews.com/science/cont...ific-questions



Hydoxychloroquine causes potential heart damage when given at 10x the amount for people taking it for autoimmune disease!

Doctors shouldn't prescribe such large amounts of it anyway.

Do they really think that people taking it for malaria and Lupus and RH are dying of heart disease because of it?!

It is just too ignorant the way it is gone against because of Trump.
 

Jonahdog

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here is the FDA information https://www.fda.gov/media/138945/do...kuFJMRE5NML5ncuaqf7IxNhtTOiSlhuwn2x_HWOIHHDjQ

I have not taken the time to read it.

bottom line is that there remains no particular treatment that works for everyone or most. Even the antivirals are useful only in some cases. As I have noted before, my daughter is an infectious disease doc in NYC. Her latest complaint is frustration. When patients come in, it is the general medicine people who are able to treat symptoms, she has no magic bullet. While she can diagnose covid her ability to help most patients comes later when secondary infections, that she can treat, arise.

But there will always be people who jump on the latest internet wackadoodle who touts an untested prophylactic or therapeutic treatment, including the "leader" of the Free World.
 

Gary K

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"25.7% of people taking hydroxychloroquine died after 28 days. This compared with 23.5% who were given standard hospital treatment." -- https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52937153

Boom.

Once again the BBC peddles fraudulent data. They were quoting from studies that have been dismissed because of scientific fraud. I've posted on this thread on those studies and shown how fraudulent they were. And the study that showed remdisever as "hopeful" is another one I've shown as fraudulent because they changed the focus of the study mid way through the study. They started out to show lives saved and realized early on that they couldn't so they moved to "demonstrating" less time in hospital, and only about a 25% decrease in that. Another Fauci-Gilead connection.
 

Gary K

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Clorox or insertion of UV light into my kidneys? Hey people are talking about it? What do you have to lose?

In my case I would take the advice of my daughter, an infectious disease doc in NYC. She continues to indicate there is no proven treatment, that at least in NYC the number of cases are down, she is "happy" to see tuberculosis cases again, because she can treat that.
It has been an extremely stressful several months for her and her ID doc husband at a different hospital as well. The US did a terrible job dealing with this disease.

It doesn't matter to you how long something has been shown to be a lie. You'll just continue to use the lie. And even then you can't get the lie right. Coronavirus doesn't affect the kidneys, but the air supply. But then maybe your daughter has told you that you breathe through your kidneys. You gotta have learned that somewhere and everything medical you claim you know you've said comes from your daughter.
 

Gary K

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Eh? I've just said that if that happened to be the case then those responsible should be prosecuted. How is that denying anything?

:liberals:

Yeah, you started your sentence with that little conditional spelled, if. If it happened. That always lets you say someone should be prosecuted, if, but allows you to argue against them actually being prosecuted when they belong to your side of the political spectrum. I've seen you use it over and over again. It allows you to join in and deny the facts.
 

Arthur Brain

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Yeah, you started your sentence with that little conditional spelled, if. If it happened. That always lets you say someone should be prosecuted, if, but allows you to argue against them actually being prosecuted when they belong to your side of the political spectrum. I've seen you use it over and over again. It allows you to join in and deny the facts.

I don't care about sides of the political spectrum where it comes to anything like this. If they're complicit in doing this then left, centre, right or whatever, they should be prosecuted. Get a grip.
 
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