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    Do you believe in MAD. Please participate in the poll
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    He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

    Jim Elliot

  • #2
    Yes

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    • #3
      Yes.

      We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
      They already know monsters exist.
      We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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      • #4
        I believe what the Bible says. It says Israel was put away, and gentiles raised up through Paul's unique ministry.
        Jesus saves completely. http://www.climatedepot.com/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

        Titus 1

        For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

        Ephesians 5

        11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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        • #5
          Put away?

          Originally posted by Nick M View Post
          I believe what the Bible says. It says Israel was put away, and gentiles raised up through Paul's unique ministry.
          "Put away"? Where does it say that?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by WoundedEgo View Post
            "Put away"? Where does it say that?
            So then you haven't read Romans 9-11?

            Romans 9

            30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness.

            Romans 10

            Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved. 2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

            Romans 11

            7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:

            “God has given them a spirit of stupor,
            Eyes that they should not see
            And ears that they should not hear,
            To this very day.”

            9 And David says:

            “Let their table become a snare and a trap,
            A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
            10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,
            And bow down their back always.”


            11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. 12 Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!
            Jesus saves completely. http://www.climatedepot.com/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

            Titus 1

            For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

            Ephesians 5

            11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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            • #7
              You can substitute andyc and godulz where it says For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God..
              Jesus saves completely. http://www.climatedepot.com/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

              Titus 1

              For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

              Ephesians 5

              11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Nick M View Post
                So then you haven't read Romans 9-11?
                Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

                Ephesians 2:12, 19 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: ... Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

                Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

                What do you think Paul meant by those statements, brother?

                Do you believe that Israel is a type or alternative name for the Body of Christ (Hosea 11:1 cf. Matthew 2:14-15)?

                Is Christ the king of Israel?

                Is the king of Israel a citizen of Israel?

                Is Christ one with His nation?

                Are you in Christ, one with him?
                So they took him and killed him, and threw him out of the vineyard.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Doormat View Post
                  Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
                  That doesn't change anything. Paul is explaining how gentiles apart from the law are saved. He will have mercy on whom he has mercy. And his enemies in Israel were not his. That is all he is saying. Israel was put away, cast away, whatever you want to call it.

                  Ephesians 2:12, 19 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: ... Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
                  You do realize you are quoting "MAD doctrine" to disprove "MAD doctrine".

                  What do you think Paul meant by those statements, brother?
                  What I already said. They did not trust God. They are not his, even though he has a covenant with them.

                  Do you believe that Israel is a type or alternative name for the Body of Christ (Hosea 11:1 cf. Matthew 2:14-15)?
                  Absolutely not. There is no such thing as "spiritual Israel".
                  Jesus saves completely. http://www.climatedepot.com/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

                  Titus 1

                  For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

                  Ephesians 5

                  11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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                  • #10
                    Brother Nick, before I respond to your last post, I wonder if you would do me the courtesy of answering these four simple yes or no questions:

                    Is Christ the king of Israel?

                    Is the king of Israel a citizen of Israel?

                    Is Christ one with His nation?

                    Are you in Christ, one with him?
                    So they took him and killed him, and threw him out of the vineyard.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
                      Do you believe in MAD. Please participate in the poll
                      While I am an Open Theist, I cannot bring myself to be a Mid-Acts Dispensationalist.
                      They that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength. They shall mount up with wings as eagles. -- Isaiah 40:31

                      Vegetarian - Indian word for lousy hunter


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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Doormat View Post
                        1. Is Christ the king of Israel?

                        2. Is the king of Israel a citizen of Israel?

                        3. Is Christ one with His nation?

                        4. Are you in Christ, one with him?
                        Irrelevant.

                        1. Yes
                        2. Yes, from birth. But he had to be crucified and raised up
                        3. Metaphorically, yes. Israel isn't really a bride, but it is a metaphor for understanding.
                        4. I am. I am a part of him, not his bride.
                        Jesus saves completely. http://www.climatedepot.com/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

                        Titus 1

                        For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

                        Ephesians 5

                        11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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                        • #13
                          Yes, I pretty much believed this way for quite a few years. I just didn't know it had a name.

                          June is Gay Pride Month.Tolerance and diversity? ☞ More like tolerate perversity.☠

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
                            Do you believe in MAD. Please participate in the poll

                            Hi , and MAD is for those who do NOT know where the Body of Christ began !!

                            dan p

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                            • #15
                              "Sheer eisegesis." - Rulz
                              Originally posted by Interplanner
                              They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
                              Originally posted by Interplanner
                              You're too literal to get it.
                              Originally posted by Interplanner
                              The New Covenant preceded the Old Covenant.

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