Very nice of you, Inzl Kett. Thanks!
For Sincere Inquisitors ONLY: MAD Explained
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Hi, Cab. And thanks for your PM, too.
The difference between a dispensation and a covenant is like the difference between an apartment and a tool shed. They're two independent things. They COULD relate to one another, but the definitions of each have nothing to do with one another.
A dispensation is simply a dispensing or giving out of something. It could be related to something previously given out, or it could have nothing to do with it. Without a doubt, undeniable by anyone, there are dispensations in scripture. God "gave out" (a dispensation) to Noah that he could eat any animal.
Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. Gen. 9:3
By definition, that's a dispensation.
Some, for some strange reason, say that God would never change the rules that He's laid out. But this, too, is undeniable. Here we see another dispensation:
Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. [etc.] Lev. 11:4
This dietary law was a dispensation. And it is completely contrary to a previous dispensation given to Noah. This is why some of us say that everyone, whether they want to admit it or not, is a dispensationalist.
A covenant is simply a formal agreement between parties to do or not do something. So in the case of the dietary law, we can see that God did that via a covenant.
Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine. Ex. 19:5
The dispensation was: You have to do xyz.
The agreement was: you do xyz, and I'll do abc.
So in this case, they're related. To Adam and Eve were "given out"/dispensed (a dispensation) the rule about eating all herbs, etc. But it wasn't part of any covenant. So there's no requirement for the words dispensation and covenant to be interchangeable or even related.
Did that properly address your question?
Thanks,
Randy
The short answer is a covenant is an agreement between parties. This is why you are not a part of a covenant. You will not be cut off for not cirucmcising your male child at 8 days.
I find this a very strange statement. Jesus' earthly ministry was to Israel. If not then why did He say this?--->But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matt. 15:24
His Earthly ministry to Israel does not nullify His sacrifice on the cross being open to all.
I am a person who takes the scripture at face value.
Jesus uses the sheep metaphor a lot when describing the house of Israel.
I want chickenman, Nick or any of those with the 'secret order of smack' in their profile to answer his one. These folks display an excellent grasp of scripture.
| John 10:15-17 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. |
Jesus mentions 'Other sheep'. Who are these other sheep?
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Nevermind. I wasn't criticizing or anything like that. I think it's completely unreasonable to ask anyone to wade through over a thousand posts and have to deal with whatever ugliness came before.
You asked for those who were really curious. I was. Now I really don't care.
Okay. Thanks.
On my phone right now IK. Will give my take on this in a bit when I'm at my computer.
By the way, Refractive, if I misread your tone then I apologize. It's just when you write things like "Heck, I don't even know where the one year came from", rather than asking "Can you let me know what you mean by the one year", or something like that, then it appears that you're ridiculing instead of sincerely looking for my take on the matter.
That's why I simply referred you to the rest of the thread for your answers instead of addressing it there.
And, by the way, it's not unreasonable to ask you to look just a LITTLE past the OP. It looked like you saw the OP, didn't like it, and reacted to it. So yes, it's fair to ask you to look further when so much time has been spent on it already.
Thanks,
Randy
I think there may be some disagreement among MidActs'ers on this. I'll give you my take for you to test with the scriptures and see if you find it lacking.
I believe the "other sheep" were the scattered Israelites. There were many in Jerusalem and Judea, but there were many who never made it back home from their Babylonian and Assyrian deportations. The legacies of those folks were scattered throughout the Gentile lands.
Then said the Jews among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? Will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles? John 7:35
It was known that the Jews had brethren dispersed abroad. This is who they were referring to in John 7:35.
The people of Israel were referred to as "sheep", as you've noted.
...but made his own people to go forth like sheep, and guided them in the wilderness like a flock. Ps. 78:52
So we thy people and sheep of thy pasture will give thee thanks for ever: we will shew forth thy praise to all generations. Ps. 79:13
The psalmist says they were like sheep appointed for meat.So we thy people and sheep of thy pasture will give thee thanks for ever: we will shew forth thy praise to all generations. Ps. 79:13
But thou has cast off, and put us to shame; and goest not forth with our armies. Thou makest us to turn back from the enemy: and they which hate us spoil for themselves. Thou has given us like sheep appointed for meat; and hast scattered us among the heathen. Ps. 44:9-11
The Lord scattered those sheep by using Assyria to conquer and deport those of the northern 10 tribes and Babylon to conquer and deport those of the southern 2 tribes. Though many returned from Babylon to Jerusalem, many from both deportations (actual more than that, but I'm just speaking generally about Babylon and Assyria's conquests) were also still left scattered abroad. Ezra 2:64, e.g., shows that only a fraction returned. So many were still scattered.
While still in captivity, Ezekiel was told:
And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land... Ez. 37:21
On one hand, this would see sort of (for lack of a better way to put it, I guess) a fulfillment with the return from Babylon to Jerusalem. But that wasn't to be the ultimate fulfillment. Couldn't possibly be. For when they returned from Babylon to Jerusalem, we definitely didn't see this:
And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd...
...and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be there God, and they shall be my people. And the heathen shall know that I the Lord do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore. Ez. 37:24-28
So there was still a dispersion that were sheep that were to be gathered into the land one day. Hence......and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be there God, and they shall be my people. And the heathen shall know that I the Lord do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore. Ez. 37:24-28
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. John 10:16
Sounds a lot like Ez. 37 to me.
I see zero substantiation of those "other sheep" being a reference to future Body of Christ believers as so many believe. The text defines those sheep as scattered Israelites that needed to be brought back into the fold.
As an aside, it looks like Peter writes to those scattered sheep, as he writes:
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia. I Pet. 1:1
I guess that's another topic, though.
Thanks for your question. That's my take.
Randy
"And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd." Jn 10:16
This is a reference to Israel, the sheep of the dispersion, and is a reference to the re-uniting of the northern kingdom, Israel(10 tribes), and and the southern kingdoms, Samaria(the tribes of Joseph and Ephraim). The Jews were always referred to as sheep.
"Israel is a scattered sheep..." Jer. 50:17- see also Is. 40:11, 63:11;Luke 12:32(all Jews-no Gentiles); Psalms 44:11, 78:52, 80:1; Ez. 34:11-12 ;Zech. 13:7-9 and on and on and on......
"In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek the LORD their God. They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces thitherward, saying, Come, and let us join ourselves to the LORD in a perpetual covenant that shall not be forgotten. My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace. All that found them have devoured them: and their adversaries said, We offend not, because they have sinned against the LORD, the habitation of justice, even the LORD, the hope of their fathers." Jer. 50:4-7
"The Lord GOD, which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him." Is. 56:8
"The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying, Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions(Benjamin and Levi-my comment): And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in t! hine han d. And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these? Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand. And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes. And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all." Ezekiel 37:15-22
"For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls." 1 Peter 2:25
And who is the "ye" Peter is writing to? The dispersia-Jews, never Gentiles:
"Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia..." 1 Peter 1:1
"The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine, for ye are strangers and sojourners with me." Lev. 25:23
Prophecy/warning of this dispersia:
"The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth." Deut. 28:25
"Then said the Jews among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles?" Jn 7:35=Jews dispersed abroad among the Gentile nations.
"... had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen..." Acts 1:2 -Jews-no Gentiles
"And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James. These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren. And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)..." Acts 1:13-15 -Jews, no Gentiles
"And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place." This is the same "they" of Acts 1:26-Jews-no Gentiles.
PENTECOST was a JEWISH feast day. These are THE DISPERSIA.
Pentecost was a JEWISH Feast. You HAD TO BE JEWISH to participate in this obligation. A Gentile could only be included if he was a proselyte.
"And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven...." Acts 2:5 Jews-no Gentiles
"Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God." Acts 2:9-11 =the dispersia of Jews scattered abroad. Pentecost was one of the feasts mandated by the Law of Moses(the other being Passover and Tabernacles), where every every male JEW had to attend in Jerusalem. This explains why the big crowd! This was a mandatory JEWISH feast day=NO GENTILES ALLOWED!
Peter, as late as Acts 10:28, would have no company with any Gentile:
"And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean..."
This was part of the Law of Moses-JEWS were to be SEPARATE from the heathen nations=GENTILES. Hence, the meaning of a"holy" nation=separated by the LORD God for service to be the vessel,or channel of God to reveal the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob to the heathen nations:
" Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. " Ex. 19:5,6
"And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them. But I have said unto you, Ye shall inherit their land, and I will give it unto you to possess it, a land that floweth with milk and honey: I am the LORD your God, which have separated you from other people. Lev. 20:! 23-24 =SEPARATION=HOLINESS
"For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth." Deut. 7:6, 14:2, 26:18-19
Acts 2:38 "every one of you" ARE JEWS.
Peter addressed in Acts:
"ye men of Judea" 2:14 JEWS mandated to come to Jerusalem for Pentecost
"ye men of Israel" 2:22 " " "
"men and brethren" 2:29
Peter would not be "caught dead" associating with a Gentile-he is referring to his fellow Jews:
"let all the house of Israel" 2:36
Acts 2:39
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call."
This is a reference to the COVENANTS promised to the JEWS all throughout the OT. Gentiles had no covenant promises:
"Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises..." Romans 9:4
"Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers..." Romans 15:8
The circumcision were Jews. The fathers were Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. And Romans 15:8 explains :
"These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Mt. 10:5-6
"But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Mt. 15:24
"afar off" is a reference to the dispersia scattered abroad:
"O LORD, righteousness belongeth unto thee, but unto us confusion of faces, as at this day; to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and unto all Israel, that are near, and that are far off, through all the countries whither thou hast driven them, because of their trespass that they have trespassed against thee." Daniel 9:7
The Gentile condition:
"That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world..." Eph. 2:12
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:up: Thanks. That is what I suspected as well. The sheep metaphors are scattered through the old testament and the four gospels and they are always in reference to Israel. I did find one case though where he still talking to the Jews, but it could apply to all who follow Christ--the Sheep and the goats illustration.
| Matthew 25: 32-46 32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. |
The shepherding illustration is used because He is talking to a Jewish audience.
| John 21:15-17 15So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs. 16He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep. 17He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep. |
Peter is being instructed to minister to the people of Israel. Peter's ministry was mostly to the Jews. The only exception was Cornelius. Paul's was to the Gentiles.
After the four gospels here are the sheep metaphors.
1. Acts 8:32 - The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth: - This is Jesus Himself being the sacrificial Lamb.
2. Romans 8:36 - As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. - I rather suspect Paul is sharing from his Jewish perspective the suffering he and the converts to Christianity go through.
3. Hebrews 13:20 - Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, - specifically written to Jews.
1 Peter 2:25 - For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls. - Peter's ministry is to Jewish converts to Christianity. In this letter he uses a lot of Jewish terminology.
These are the only ones I could find. I may have missed some. The metaphor for the Church is The Body of Christ. Today churches tend to get the metaphors mixed up and the Bible becomes clear as mud. Keeping them straight also makes books like Revelation easier to understand.
Now I am going to go look at john w's post
:up: Very good post. You have an excellent grasp of scripture. Lets add you to my list of people I get to ask bible questions.
Hi Inzl:
I’m not supposed to post in this thread because chickenman doesn’t want it to turn into a debate thread. He just wants sincere people that want to learn about MAD to only post here. I'm fine with that.
I honored his request, and never turned this thread into a debate.
The reason I make this post is to suggest to you that once you learn what MAD teaches (this is a great site to do so, and cm knows MAD very well), you should put the teachings to the test in other threads from people who disagree with the teachings of MAD.
If you never hear another opinion to what you are taught, then you are just blindly following people.
I will give you two examples of how there is another side to the teachings that right now you are so sure are Biblical truth.
You said:
Let's look at two verses:
(1 Peter 5:4) And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away.
(1 Thess 2:19) For what is our hope, our joy, or the crown in which we will glory in the presence of our Lord Jesus when he comes? Is it not you?
First we see that Peter refers to the Lord Jesus Christ as the "Chief Shepherd". MAD teaches that the book of Peter is not written to the BOC. So, nothing so far that would refute MAD.
However when we look at what Paul told the BOC in 1 Thess 2:19, we see that Paul tells his BOC audience that they also will receive a crown in which they will glory.
Do you see the connection?
Also, both passages speak of when the Lord Jesus appears.
Next you said:
And chickenman said:
Let's look at the following verse:
(Gal 2:12) For before certain men came from James, he (Peter) used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he (Peter) began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group
The above makes it clear that Peter was with Gentiles other than suggested by MAD.
So, just wanted to show you that there is usually another understanding of scripture.
Like I said, this is a good thread to learn what MAD is all about, and what MAD teaches, but after you learn the teachings, put the teachings to the test.
If you believe MAD is Biblical truth, then putting the teachings to the test will just strengthen your knowledge.
Please do not respond to my sample refutations, I just used them to show you that there are people who disagree with MAD.
So, with respect to the OP, I will not post here anymore.
These two scriptures are not a refutation.
Peters tells his Jewish audience they they will receive a crown of glory.
Paul tells his Gentile audience that they will receive a crown of glory.
Of course the circumcision that rejected Christ would hate Peter. They eventually had a hand in his arrest.
"Let's look at two verses:
(1 Peter 5:4) And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away.
(1 Thess 2:19) For what is our hope, our joy, or the crown in which we will glory in the presence of our Lord Jesus when he comes? Is it not you?
First we see that Peter refers to the Lord Jesus Christ as the "Chief Shepherd". MAD teaches that the book of Peter is not written to the BOC. So, nothing so far that would refute MAD.
However when we look at what Paul told the BOC in 1 Thess 2:19, we see that Paul tells his BOC audience that they also will receive a crown in which they will glory.
Do you see the connection?
Also, both passages speak of when the Lord Jesus appears."-Tet.
Deception. Rapture vs. second coming.
Deception. He leaves out verse 20:
1 Thes. 2:19-20
19For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?
20For ye are our glory and joy.
Thus, Paul is referring to those he led to Christ as his "crown of rejoicing...glory and joy," different from the "crown of glory" Peter is talking about at the second coming:
4And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.
That is Tet.'s MO-post isolated verses, asserts, pounds the table, and concludes, "See.....they all say the same thing."
1 Peter 5 has been discussed numerous times on the site-not appropriate here.
(1 Peter 5:4) And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away.
(1 Thess 2:19) For what is our hope, our joy, or the crown in which we will glory in the presence of our Lord Jesus when he comes? Is it not you?
First we see that Peter refers to the Lord Jesus Christ as the "Chief Shepherd". MAD teaches that the book of Peter is not written to the BOC. So, nothing so far that would refute MAD.
However when we look at what Paul told the BOC in 1 Thess 2:19, we see that Paul tells his BOC audience that they also will receive a crown in which they will glory.
Do you see the connection?
Also, both passages speak of when the Lord Jesus appears."-Tet.
Deception. Rapture vs. second coming.
Deception. He leaves out verse 20:
1 Thes. 2:19-20
19For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?
20For ye are our glory and joy.
Thus, Paul is referring to those he led to Christ as his "crown of rejoicing...glory and joy," different from the "crown of glory" Peter is talking about at the second coming:
4And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.
That is Tet.'s MO-post isolated verses, asserts, pounds the table, and concludes, "See.....they all say the same thing."
1 Peter 5 has been discussed numerous times on the site-not appropriate here.
Cornelius was chosen for a reason, Genesis 12.
Acts 10.
1 There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of what was called the Italian Regiment, 2 a devout man and one who feared God with all his household, who gave alms generously to the people, and prayed to God always
22 And they said, “Cornelius the centurion, a just man, one who fears God and has a good reputation among all the nation of the Jews
There is a reason Peter, full of the Holy Spirit which means controlled by the Holy Spirit, did not preach 1 Corinthians 15:3-4.
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Yes, but what's the difference in the dispensations?