Bob Carabbio
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Assuming that the "Gap Theory" is inaccurate. There may well be an unknown expanse of time between Gen 1:1, and Gen 1:2.
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Where does the Bible teach that the earth is billions of years old?
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Assuming that the "Gap Theory" is inaccurate. There may well be an unknown expanse of time between Gen 1:1, and Gen 1:2.
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The "Gap Theory" is a crap theory. And I DO assume that it's INACCURATE as well as INCORRECT.
Not possible because of the way the passage is worded in the Hebrew.
"Was," NOT "became."
Also, the rest of the chapter prevents there from being a gap, as it describes God forming the as yet unformed earth into a paradise.
Bob Carabbio
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Yup, that's the Other version of the "truth".
Well, no, not an "other version of the truth," that's literally what is described in Genesis.
Reading something into the text that is not there to begin with will only bring you confusion.
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That's you admitting that the Bible doesn't teach that God created the heaven and the earth (Genesis 1:1) more than a period of six 24-hour days prior to His creation of man (Genesis 1:27).
But, you're grossly mistaken in saying that the Bible doesn't teach anything about the actual chronology of creation. Even a child could understand, for instance, that the Bible teaches that God created the heaven and the earth before He created man. Or, do you wish to say that that is not the actual chronology of creation? Do you wish to say that the actual chronology of creation is, rather, that God created man before He created the heaven and the earth?
Bottom line: The Bible does not say anything about the world being billions of years old. Reality says it is. How to deal with that is a question that apparently isn't for this thread.
thank you, thank you, thank you. Please someone make this thread go away.
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Rather, some interpretations of reality viewed through a specific lens say it is. But those same interpretations of reality viewed through that same specific lens when applied to some problematic aspects of the theory say that it isn't, that the conclusions must be seen as uncertain.
This is the uncertainty inherent in science that sciencey people who are untrained in science don't appreciate.
I've been told that the subject of this thread is the Bible, not science.
Bob Carabbio
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Don't be silly. The Bible gives a sequence which I don't question at the elementary level (since the Bible doesn't bother actually "Fleshing out" things). Take the "Long day" of Joshua, for example. Scientifically HOW WOULD God cause the Sun to stand still. The universal physical ramifications are beyond reasoning. He doesn't bother telling us HOW He pulled it off - just that He did (and the folklore of many cultures also recorded the phenomenon, as reported in Harry Rimmer's book (Modern Science and the Genesis record)..
God created (Bara) an earth that either WAS, or BECAME "without form and void" (Tohuw & Bohuw) and in darkness. Then He began a 6 step sequence that resulted in the original form of the "Adamic Creation" which was not yet subject to "Vanity", since it hadn't been CURSED - yet. SO:
First day = "light" (source not given) and associated darkness
Second day = A separation of the "Waters"
Third day = Emergence of dry land, and the Botanical system
Fourth day = The Sun, Moon, solar system
FIfth day = Aquatic life, and avian life
Sixth day = Beasts of the earth, and Adam
Note: the "Rib" euphemism apparently indicates not a LITERAL "Rib", but the "REMOVAL OF EVE" from Adam - i.e. the "Female essence" of Eve had been part of Adam in the beginning, but was extracted therefrom, which diminished Adam, and was subsequently incarnated into the physical Eve.
One argument for the Days (Yowm - "to be hot") to be "24 hour days" is that the botanical system was made the day before there was a Sun. How would it survive for eons without sunlight?? Of course "Yowm" can mean anything from a "Solar day" to a simple "time period of undefined duration".
SO the ACTUAL chronology from "in the beginning" to A.D. 2020 remains a mystery, and considering all the discussions, arguments, and materials that I've been exposed to over the last 60+ years, I remain an O.E.C. as my global working hypothesis.
What's your No. 1 reason for believing that "six days" cannot mean what it plainly says?
RobertBoyce
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If you want to tabulate the time line in the bible all you need to do is attach the time it took to accomplish the following--
Genesis The Beginning
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.
4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.
5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.”
9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so.
10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.
11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so.
12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.
20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.”
21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind.
24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.”
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1&version=NIV
Genesis The Beginning
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.
4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.
5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.”
9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so.
10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.
11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so.
12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.
20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.”
21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind.
24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.”
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1&version=NIV
RobertBoyce
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Earth is estimated to be 4.54 billion years old, plus or minus about 50 million years. Scientists have scoured the Earth searching for the oldest rocks to radiometrically date.
https://www.nationalgeographic.org/t...=1&per_page=25
https://www.nationalgeographic.org/t...=1&per_page=25
7djengo7
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Again, is that not the actual chronology (the actual arrangement of events or dates in the order of their occurrence) of creation, viz., that (as the Bible teaches) God created the heaven and the earth before He created man? Yes or No?
It's a simple yes-or-no question. Why can you not answer it?
RobertBoyce
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Geneses does not state that the entire process took six days; it only states---
“God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.”
This discussion helps us pass the time of day but it cannot determine the intent or timeline of the events. On the sixth day God saw all that He had made not on how long it took Him to make it.
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I guess that you don't know what the word "euphemism" means.
You also seem to be making some huge assumptions in the process of your ideas.