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  • Originally posted by belboy87
    Compare this:



    to this:

    "For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, especially of those that believe"

    It does not say "exclusively to those who believe". It simply says... especially...

    Try reading the chapter.
    Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)

    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

    What are my fruits today?

    Cityboy With Horses A blog about what happens when you say, "I Promise"

    "Moral standards" are a lot like lighthouses: they exist to help us stay on course as we sail through life. But we have to steer BY them, but not directly AT them. Lest we end up marooned on the shoals of perpetual self-righteousness.

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    • Originally posted by CabinetMaker
      Try reading the chapter.
      More

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      • Fear Him Who has the power to cast both body and soul into hell, and display respect for His Holy Word which states that the smoke of the torment of every soul whose name is not written in The Lamb's Book of Life will ascend up forever. To do any less is to call His Son a liar and His Word a lie. God doesn't lie, and Jesus, Himself, said that His Blood was given as a propitiation for many. Those whom He chooses will have eternal life, not every single soul, simply because someone unskilled in The Word of God doesn't understand context and is unable to rightly divide The Word of Truth.
        "That man of sin must first be revealed." -- Jesus

        If you haven't tried: you've already failed. -- Aimiel

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        • Originally posted by belboy87
          I don't understand why this debate even continues! When you have a verse like...

          "For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe" (1 Timothy 4:10).

          Then what is there left to be said?

          Afew more thoughts on the topic... Universalists are not ONLY combatting the mistranslation(s) of the original Greek text, but they are also combatting THOUSANDS OF YEARS, and several generations of this school of thought.

          Trying to show someone that there is no hell, is like attempting to convert a muslim or a Hindu... eternal torment is INGRAINED into their skulls.

          Which is why Universalists generally don't suffer migraine's.
          1 John 4:7-8 "Beloved, let us love one another, because love is from God; everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, for God is love."

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          • Originally posted by Dave Miller
            Which is why Universalists generally don't suffer migraine's.
            Why should Satan bother with someone he has in his back pocket?
            "That man of sin must first be revealed." -- Jesus

            If you haven't tried: you've already failed. -- Aimiel

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            • Originally posted by Aimiel
              Why should Satan bother with someone he has in his back pocket?
              Ouch! (good smack!)
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              • I have migraines

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                • I might even be developing one right now.

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                  • Originally posted by CabinetMaker
                    They are also combating the spoken word of Jesus. Universalisits call Jesus a liar by saying He didn't really mean what He said or He didn't say exactly what He meant.
                    Come on C.M. Those who believe in the Restitution of all things loudly proclaim what the Master declares regarding aionios kolasis/ kolazo. Do you know what correction is, and the purpose of correction? The Master is speaking of aionios kolasis/ kolazo. What is it? If aionios means without beginning and ending, is this correction that is without ending? If so, it is not correction!

                    1 Timothy 4:10 is another favored verse of the UNiversalist because it is so easily twisted to their doctrine. Note that Saviour is capatilized denoting a name. The verse does not say that salvation in given to all men. The verse says the Jesus came as Saviour to all men and those that believe will partake of that salvation. It is offered as encouragement to Timothy to help him in his ministry.
                    Not quite, C.M. We believe in the Living God who is the Saviour of all mankind, especially those who place their trust in Him. Malista does not mean only. Only = monos/ monon. Can you tell us what especially/ malista means?

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                    • Originally posted by logos_x
                      I have migraines
                      It must be from all the smacking going on and on and on. Please pass the anti-depressants. Never mind, I am being sucked into a glory hole.

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                      • Originally posted by belboy87
                        Compare this:



                        to this:

                        "For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, especially of those that believe"

                        It does not say "exclusively to those who believe". It simply says... especially...

                        Belboy87: are you sure it does not say exclusively, or only. Surely your eyes are betraying you.

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                        • Originally posted by Zadok
                          Come on C.M. Those who believe in the Restitution of all things loudly proclaim what the Master declares regarding aionios kolasis/ kolazo. Do you know what correction is, and the purpose of correction? The Master is speaking of aionios kolasis/ kolazo. What is it? If aionios means without beginning and ending, is this correction that is without ending? If so, it is not correction!
                          You fail to understand what sends somebody to the lake in the first place. You insist that it is for correction of sin. It is not. Your sins are forgiven. The lake of fire awaits those who reject Jesus. A crucial difference.
                          Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)

                          But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

                          What are my fruits today?

                          Cityboy With Horses A blog about what happens when you say, "I Promise"

                          "Moral standards" are a lot like lighthouses: they exist to help us stay on course as we sail through life. But we have to steer BY them, but not directly AT them. Lest we end up marooned on the shoals of perpetual self-righteousness.

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                          • Great Debate!

                            Hat's off to Kevin and Stephen...

                            I'm looking forward to the answer to this...

                            But here is one thing that really, really bothers me:


                            Jesus came and died, and His death was sufficient to pay for our sin. He came and took yours and my punishment upon Himself. If the punishment for sin was eternal torment, then He simply could NOT do that...unless He is in torment right now, and will continue to be in torment forever, paying my debt and your debt.


                            Wow!

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                            • Originally posted by CabinetMaker
                              You fail to understand what sends somebody to the lake in the first place. You insist that it is for correction of sin. It is not. Your sins are forgiven. The lake of fire awaits those who reject Jesus. A crucial difference.
                              Did I mention correction of sin in the Lake of Theos/ Pur? P.K ran off without disclosing why only the overcomer is not "hurt" by the second death? Can you tell us why, and demonstrate that all believers of the seven golden candlesticks of the Revelation are overcomers.

                              Our God the Consuming Fire awaits His heritage.

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                              • Originally posted by Zadok
                                Did I mention correction of sin in the Lake of Theos/ Pur? P.K ran off without disclosing why only the overcomer is not "hurt" by the second death? Can you tell us why, and demonstrate that all believers of the seven golden candlesticks of the Revelation are overcomers.

                                Our God the Consuming Fire awaits His heritage.
                                What are the seven candlesticks of the Revelation? I have never heard that term.
                                Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)

                                But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

                                What are my fruits today?

                                Cityboy With Horses A blog about what happens when you say, "I Promise"

                                "Moral standards" are a lot like lighthouses: they exist to help us stay on course as we sail through life. But we have to steer BY them, but not directly AT them. Lest we end up marooned on the shoals of perpetual self-righteousness.

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