Aimiel said:
Mine does. Maybe you need to throw away your heap o' teachers that are scratcing your ears just the way you like it, so that you can find out the truth
Aion, or aionion, is what it says in the greek.
Never endless aion or aions.
It has nothing to do with a "heap o' teachers" on my end...it is on your end, your heap o' teachers who insist it must be endless, even though the Bible never says that...and your translators that translate aion or aionion to be endless, and then only in a few places.
Why do they do that? Because their theologic construct and plausibility structure demands it...not because aion or aionion means "eternal". It is you, and they, that needs to find out the truth and quit scratching your ears the way no one likes it.
. ... and ages, and ages. Doesn't an 'age' mean like 1,000 years or more?
Yep. They remain dead during the millenium. Those not found in the lamb's book of life at their resurrection die a second time...while God creates a New Heaven and Earth. They are seen again in the last chapter of Revelation...and then are invited in, whosoever will may come.
You mean there will be a Third Death? Fourth?:nono:
Two is enough.
It is your belief in your own understanding which doesn't trust in The Lord that has you spinning your wheels.
My wheels are not spinning. And I do trust in the Lord...not just for us, but everyone.
Who said that it was God's 'design?'
Who else could make an eternal torture chamber?
Yes. His Purpose would have been thwarted, otherwise.
And His Purpose will not be thwarted...not forever.
The Word of God was speaking of temporal life, not spiritual life, when It spoke of man not having access to The Tree of Life.
And it is Spiritual life that enables eternal life. It would take the enablement of eternal life for there to be eternal torment.
No, the wicked never partake of that they cannot reach. You forget about the great gulf that is fixed between Heaven and hell, and I'll bet it is larger than the Gulf of Mexico. I believe that it is on an entirely different 'plane' of existence.
Let the dishonest man act dishonestly still; let the filthy make himself filthy still; let the righteous practise righteousness still; and let the holy be made holy still."
"I am coming quickly; and My reward is with Me, that I may requite every man in accordance with what his conduct has been. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
Blessed are those who wash their robes clean, that they may have a right to the Tree of Life, and may go through the gates into the city.
The unclean are shut out, and so are all who practise magic, all fornicators, all murderers, and those who worship idols, and every one who loves falsehood and tells lies.
"I Jesus have sent My angel for him solemnly to declare these things to you among the Churches. I am the Root and the offspring of David, the bright Morning Star. The Spirit and the Bride say, 'Come;' and whoever hears, let him say, 'Come;' and let those who are thirsty come. Whoever will, let him take the Water of Life, without payment.
(Rev 22:11-17 WNT)
Where is that damned "gulf" now?
That is heresy, foolishness and really poor interpretation.
Why?
I just quoted it above.
How is it a poor interpretation to believe what it says?
And it is "heresy" because those that believe in eternal torment deternined what is "orthodox" in the sixth century.
There is nothing in Scripture to indicate otherwise, and many points which make that belief into sound doctrine (something else that you don't understand, I know).
:rotfl:
I know you are, but what am I?
:doh: I'm arguing with Pee-Wee Herman....
Ironic, hunh?