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  • Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
    I said there are three, and the three are One.

    Your trinity doctrine says there are three and that the three are separate and different.

    If they are separate and different, then there are three Gods and not One.
    No, the trinity doctrine states clearly there is one God. You're the one who can't explain verses such as this....while those who know God is triune can plainly understand it.

    John 14:26
    But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

    John 15:26
    But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

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    • Originally posted by steko View Post
      It wasn't the appearance of Jesus which changed, it was the perception of the disciples that was altered so as to not recognize Him.

      Luk 24:16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.


      holden- kratéō; contracted kratṓ, fut. kratḗsō, from krátos (G2904), strength. To take hold of, grasp, hold fast, followed by the gen. of person meaning to have power over, rule over. In the NT, followed by the gen. of thing or acc. of person or thing.


      (I) Followed by the gen. of thing meaning to have power over, to be dominant, or become master of, i.e., to gain, attain to (Act_27:13; Heb_4:14, "let us attain to the full benefit of our profession in Him" [a.t.], equivalent to Heb_6:18; Sept.: Pro_14:18). To take the hand of someone (Mat_9:25; Mar_1:31; Mar_5:41; Luk_8:54; Sept.: Gen_19:16; 2Sa_1:11).
      (II) Followed by the acc.:
      (A) To have power over, to be or become the master of, which always implies a certain degree of force with which one brings a person or thing wholly under his power, even when resistance is encountered.
      They did not recognize Jesus because he looks like someone else.

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      • Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
        They did not recognize Jesus because he looks like someone else.
        That's not what it says.
        Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
        Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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        • Originally posted by glorydaz View Post
          No, the trinity doctrine states clearly there is one God. You're the one who can't explain verses such as this....while those who know God is triune can plainly understand it.

          John 14:26
          But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

          John 15:26
          But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
          I am sorry but I dont get it either... God will send himself as a spirit in Jesus"His" name.... ok
          Jesus prays to himself,speaks of the Father.Tells us to Pray to the Father...wouldn't Satan know who he is, why would Satan tempt God who could create another world so why offer him the Earth? I mean Satan talked to God directly in Job...

          Jesus is our Lord and Savior I get, Behold this is my Son in whom I am well pleased I get..this Godhead trinity I do not..

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          • Originally posted by glorydaz View Post
            No, the trinity doctrine states clearly there is one God.
            The trinity doctrine says there is one God, the Father, another God the Son, and another God the Holy Spirit.
            Originally posted by glorydaz View Post
            You're the one who can't explain verses such as this....while those who know God is triune can plainly understand it.
            The trinity doctrine SAYS their doctrine is UNEXPLAINABLE.
            Originally posted by glorydaz View Post
            John 14:26
            But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
            The Holy Spirit is the same as Jesus. In fact, the Holy Spirit takes from what is Jesus’.


            John 16:14 "He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.


            Originally posted by glorydaz View Post
            John 15:26
            But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
            The disciples will know the Holy Spirit when it comes, because the Holy Spirit has been living with them! Jesus has been living with them.
            John 14:17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

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            • The diety of Christ is definitely a salvific issue (John 8:24)
              Omniscience limited
              Prophetic guesses
              Election by observation
              No future yet

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              • Originally posted by steko View Post
                That's not what it says.
                You are saying it was Jesus and they saw him as Jesus.

                That is not what the scriptures say.

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                • Originally posted by fishrovmen View Post
                  The diety of Christ is definitely a salvific issue (John 8:24)
                  You do not even know who He is.

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                  • Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
                    You do not even know who He is.
                    You don't believe that the deity of Christ is a salvation issue?
                    He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

                    Jim Elliot

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                    • Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
                      You don't believe that the deity of Christ is a salvation issue?
                      I didnt say deity,, i said God,, there is no doubt he is the begotten Son of God and that qualifies him as deity .

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                      • Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
                        You are saying it was Jesus and they saw him as Jesus.

                        That is not what the scriptures say.
                        No I'm not.

                        I'm saying that it was Jesus, that Jesus has a particular physical description, that description was not altered and that when they looked at him, their accurate perception of Him was restrained, for whatever reason and by whatever means.
                        In other words, the change was not in Jesus.....the change was in their perception.
                        Later, after He departed, the restraint was lifted and their perception was clarified so that they then recognized who He was. They didn't suddenly recognize Him because He morphed into a different form.
                        Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
                        Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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                        • GT, in AMR's initial post of the debate, he explained his belief in ONE God, not three.
                          Omniscience limited
                          Prophetic guesses
                          Election by observation
                          No future yet

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                          • Has anyone noticed that this thread had turned into a debate thread on the Trinity rather than a discussion of the One-on-One between AMR and God"s Truth?
                            He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

                            Jim Elliot

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                            • Originally posted by FraterJoseph View Post
                              I didnt say deity,, i said God,, there is no doubt he is the begotten Son of God and that qualifies him as deity .
                              The word 'Deity' means having the nature of 'GOD'.....one and the same.
                              Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
                              Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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                              • Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
                                Do you believe the following?

                                Romans 10:9-10

                                King James Version (KJV)

                                9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

                                10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
                                Of course I do but it is not saying anything that you have to believe in the trinity to be saved.

                                It seems clear that trinity believers are making up their own salvation for sure. Trinity is not Jesus' idea nor His Father's.
                                If you want to be true to God and Jesus, abandon any kind of violence at all cost. By advocating any kind of violence, you are misrepresenting Christianity.

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