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  • Disscusion thread for: Does Abraham's faith disprove Unconditional Election?

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  • #2
    And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.
    (Gen 28:14)


    I would say not

    ....but you know that, already.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by logos_x View Post
      And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.
      (Gen 28:14)


      I would say not

      ....but you know that, already.
      Do you know what unconditional election is?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Lighthouse View Post
        Do you know what unconditional election is?
        A second term for a republican president?

        This OOO looks like one worth following. Good luck to both contestants (though one of you won't necessarily need it).
        Where is the evidence for a global flood?
        E≈mc2
        "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

        "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Lighthouse View Post
          Do you know what unconditional election is?
          Does it matter?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Lighthouse View Post
            Do you know what unconditional election is?
            An explanation of the doctrine is on Wikipedia as follows:

            In saving people unconditionally, God must guarantee all the means that he has for men to be saved. This means that true faith must be guaranteed. The source of this guarantee arises from the infinite worth of Christ's death to be applied to what God intended it for; like the salvation of a particular people. This is worked out by the Holy Spirit, which convicts the world of sin and righteousness. In doing this, the Holy Spirit opens hearts and eyes. This makes sinners both willing and able to exercise faith in the gospel. The goodness and grace of the gospel becomes irresistible to a rational person, so faith results. It is the result of a new nature that comes from being born again or regenerated by the Holy Spirit preceding faith. People are saved unconditionally while they are still enemies of the cross. Yet, sinners do not remain enemies of the cross because of the things that follow election: God's calling to faith, justification by faith, and glorification.

            Now...from my perspective the problem with Calvinism is not embodied in this doctrine...rather it is in the doctrine of Limited Atonement...which limits the infinite worth of Christ's death...while this doctrine claims to uphold it.

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            • #7
              Did Nang really just spend about a thousand and a half words arguing that Abraham had faith before he was saved?
              Where is the evidence for a global flood?
              E≈mc2
              "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

              "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
              -Bob B.

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              • #8
                AJ's last post was very good.


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                • #9
                  Ouch! This is painful. AJ is spanking Nang like a 4 year old at KMart.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Knight View Post
                    Ouch! This is painful. AJ is spanking Nang like a 4 year old at KMart.
                    You can get arrested for doing that sort of thing where I come from ...

                    Nang is getting a hiding though. AJ posts the same volume, but his points are so clear.
                    Where is the evidence for a global flood?
                    E≈mc2
                    "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

                    "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
                    -Bob B.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Knight View Post
                      Ouch! This is painful. AJ is spanking Nang like a 4 year old at KMart.
                      I can understand why God has chosen to discipline her like this, but why has He chosen for her to be so disobedient in the first place?

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                      • #12
                        It is clear who is doing the heavy lifting (Nang) with Scriptural support and actual exegesis, while AJ seems to be stuck trying to merely wax insubstantially eloquent and insert oblique ad hominems whenever possible. Just typical behavior for those who prefer to appeal to the masses versus dealing substantively with the subject matter. Kudos to Nang for not taking AJ's obvious baiting tactics to heart and responding in kind.

                        Nang is cleaning AJ's clock Scripturally, while AJ fumbles around trying to ignore Nang's Scriptural arguments. The first person in any discussion who resorts to personal attacks is always the person on the defensive.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Ask Mr. Religion View Post
                          It is clear who is doing the heavy lifting (Nang) with Scriptural support and actual exegesis, while AJ seems to be stuck trying to merely wax insubstantially eloquent and insert oblique ad hominems whenever possible. Just typical behavior for those who prefer to appeal to the masses versus dealing substantively with the subject matter. Kudos to Nang for not taking AJ's obvious baiting tactics to heart and responding in kind.

                          Nang is cleaning AJ's clock Scripturally, while AJ fumbles around trying to ignore Nang's Scriptural arguments. The first person in any discussion who resorts to personal attacks is always the person on the defensive.
                          Perhaps if Nang were on topic then her bountiful supply of bible verses would be relevant. As AJ points out she is yet to even quote the one verse the whole thread is sourced from.
                          Where is the evidence for a global flood?
                          E≈mc2
                          "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

                          "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
                          -Bob B.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ask Mr. Religion View Post
                            It is clear who is doing the heavy lifting (Nang) with Scriptural support and actual exegesis, while AJ seems to be stuck trying to merely wax insubstantially eloquent and insert oblique ad hominems whenever possible. Just typical behavior for those who prefer to appeal to the masses versus dealing substantively with the subject matter. Kudos to Nang for not taking AJ's obvious baiting tactics to heart and responding in kind.

                            Nang is cleaning AJ's clock Scripturally, while AJ fumbles around trying to ignore Nang's Scriptural arguments. The first person in any discussion who resorts to personal attacks is always the person on the defensive.
                            All I have to say is:

                            Nang
                            Calvinism
                            Those who misrepresent our Living, Personal, Relational, Good, and Loving God!


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                            • #15
                              Nang's latest post is a show stopper! Wow! Now if only AJ will do the same level of heavy lifting that Nang is clearly doing in the 1:1 instead of resorting to whimsical rhetoric. Nang has posted dozens and dozens of verses to bolster her argument that AJ cannot ignore.
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