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  • #16
    Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    No, I did not misunderstand the OP.
    The OP is claiming the purpose of the Torah is to convict us as sinners, that it is like a mirror that reveals we are sinners. The passage in James you quoted is not saying that.

    Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    What was your point?
    My point is for those who can read my post and understand my point.
    "It is easier to contend with evil at the first than at the last." - Leonardo da Vinci

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    • #17
      Originally posted by elohiym View Post
      The OP is claiming the purpose of the Torah is to convict us as sinners, that it is like a mirror that reveals we are sinners. The passage in James you quoted is not saying that.
      The OP is claiming that those that do not accept what the Torah shows them are despising the Torah.
      James says that those that see what the Torah shows them but do nothing about it are "forgetful hearers".

      Both are saying the same thing.

      If you see or hear God's standard of righteousness and choose to ignore it, you are turning your back on God.


      Originally posted by elohiym View Post
      My point is for those who can read my post and understand my point.
      In other words, you forgot what your point was and are hoping someone can explain it to you.
      Learn to read what is written.

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      The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
      ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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      • #18
        Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
        Both are saying the same thing.
        Believe whatever you want. I said what I came to say.

        "It is easier to contend with evil at the first than at the last." - Leonardo da Vinci

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        • #19
          Originally posted by intojoy View Post
          I'm glad you've seen the light. Finally
          I can't remember a time since I was saved that I did not believe these good old fashion reformation doctrines....there must have been a time
          One lavished upon in the Beloved
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          • #20
            If you live according to the law then you must obey the WHOLE law, if you don't then you are guilty of it all.

            ...good luck folks
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            • #21
              Why do people say that Christians ignore the Torah?

              Every year, hundreds of Christians set a resolution to read the entire Bible, then give up in March. Those people have read the Torah every single year!

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              • #22
                If we can't know Christ according to the flesh - during His time on earth - who is dumb enough to expect to know Him better by studying the types and shadows of schoolmaster Law? Worse, to seek to obey Him by keeping the Law to which the believer has died?
                "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
                Terence Mc Lean

                [most will be very surprised]


                Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
                By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Totton Linnet View Post
                  If you live according to the law then you must obey the WHOLE law, if you don't then you are guilty of it all.

                  ...good luck folks
                  In context the verses you reference say you must fulfill one commandment of the Torah, "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself"

                  James 2:8-12
                  8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
                  9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
                  10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
                  11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
                  12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.



                  Originally posted by Totton Linnet View Post
                  If you live according to the law then you must obey the WHOLE law
                  According to the logic behind your comment, if you keep the commandment to "love your neighbor as yourself" as James said to do, you must obey the whole law.

                  Are you sure you have understood what James was trying to say?
                  Learn to read what is written.

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                  The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by musterion View Post
                    If we can't know Christ according to the flesh - during His time on earth - who is dumb enough to expect to know Him better by studying the types and shadows of schoolmaster Law?
                    When did you study under the schoolmaster, and what did the schoolmaster teach you?
                    Learn to read what is written.

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                    The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
                    ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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                    • #25
                      I wasn't addressing you. We don't talk.
                      "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
                      Terence Mc Lean

                      [most will be very surprised]


                      Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
                      By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by musterion View Post
                        I wasn't addressing you.
                        You were addressing the thread and not to any one in particular.
                        I am posting in the thread and responded to your post.

                        Have you ever studied under the schoolmaster, or are you unlearned?
                        Learn to read what is written.

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                        The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
                        ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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                        • #27
                          Student Should be as His Schoolmaster

                          Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
                          You were addressing the thread and not to any one in particular.
                          I am posting in the thread and responded to your post.

                          Have you ever studied under the schoolmaster, or are you unlearned?
                          Matthew 10:25 shows plainly we are to pick up and behave like the Master. How did the master behave? It is odd to me that rather than simply following the Masters footsteps we try and try to make sin ok in some fashion or another. Remember the Scriptures themselves define sin as disobedience to the Torah, not Paul, not John, not denominations, not vain imaginations, not anything you can prop up as a deity worthy of your acceptance, both palatable and soothing.
                          Try breaking a mans' law like speeding down a street and crashing into a fence. See if you get mercy in that situation. Now imagine the Father showing us how to behave and giving His very Spirit to lead us to His instructions and directions and us saying "Well, that's in the old covenant so I don't have to do it His way but any way I choose to do it." That's one way to sin and feel justified in the disobedience produced. And once more: None of us are saved by anything but by Grace through Faith...
                          The Messiah is the schoolmaster and He obeyed the Spirit of the Torah but never dismissed the written part in any way. Sin is sin is sin, but when you confuse sin with your salvation it gives headaches to the whole house. I was wondering if we aren't to live blameless before YHVH in this existence? I was wondering how can we reason away the commandments and not be taken to task. The Messiah did say you are justified by your words and condemned by the same...

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                          • #28
                            The Jews PROVED how impossible it is to be righteous by obeying the law.

                            Jesu's teachings if you try to treat them as laws are even MORE stringent.

                            I conclude then that anyone who claims they keep the commandments are not being quite honest...hey that's agin the law to start.
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                            • #29
                              Hebrew or Yehudim???

                              Originally posted by Totton Linnet View Post
                              The Jews PROVED how impossible it is to be righteous by obeying the law.

                              Jesu's teachings if you try to treat them as laws are even MORE stringent.

                              I conclude then that anyone who claims they keep the commandments are not being quite honest...hey that's agin the law to start.
                              I know this may seem like semantics but...I do agree that the "HEBREWS" collectively proved that establishing OUR own righteousness is not only impossible but we are fully expected to let the Messiah uphold the Torah in our hearts since we cannot. Remember Shaul (Paul) said he was a Benjamite, so keep in mind that every Jew is a Hebrew but every Hebrew is not a Jew.

                              I completely agree that the standard for us is now very stringent since the Ruach Ha'Kodesh is now writting Torah in our hearts. I was wondering if anyone recalls the Mitzvot that declares every king of Israel MUST write his own copy of the Torah by Hand? Heads up to those who dis-allow the Torah; We, our lives and hearts are the very parchment that Y'Shua is writing His upon. So those who reject Torah are rejecting the writing of the one and only "Lawmaker" Y'Shua.
                              I think the very writing of His hand are difficult for us and the scarred hand as it contacts our hearts it can be super overwhelming but all is not lost, He will finish what He started. I was wondering who wants to be found 'lawless' along with the 'lawless one' in these endtimes?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Totton Linnet View Post
                                The more you set yourself to obey the law the more you will fail.

                                Thou shalt not lust immediately awakens lust in the flesh when we try to live in obedience to that law.

                                That is what the law is for. I am FREE both from the law and the sin and the curse attached to it..I receive the blessing attached to obedience to the law through Christ who kept it on my behalf .

                                He is my Righteousness.
                                Originally posted by Tambora View Post
                                Amen!

                                You are relying on the righteousness & obedience of ONE, not two.

                                And that leaves you and I with no boasting whatsoever.
                                Awh-main and Awh-main!
                                Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
                                Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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