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  • Originally posted by Aimiel View Post
    It makes sense to me On the other hand, some of your views sound like sci-fi, even for a fellow Pentecostal

    Do you still love me? You are loved and appreciated.

    Try to refute my arguments instead of argumentum ad hominem. Get up to speed on the issues with that readable book and see how dogmatic you should be with your view. 3/4 views are closer to your view, yet they can't agree on the details (these are not dummies either).
    Know God and make Him known! (YWAM)

    They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
    I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")

    Rev. 1:17, 18; Jer. 9:23, 24

    "No Compromise!" (Keith Green)

    The Pledge: He died for me; I'll live for Him.

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    • I don't stop loving someone because they make ad homenim comments or put up hammer-head smileys in reply to me. I don't stay warm and fuzzy while reading such tripe, but I do attempt to stay on the high road in my replies.

      I don't need to refute your remarks, because that's all they are: your opinion of what you've read. I don't doubt you believe what you believe because of what you've read; but neither do I believe that anything I've said has been disproven or disputed in the least. :squint:
      "That man of sin must first be revealed." -- Jesus

      If you haven't tried: you've already failed. -- Aimiel

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      • I guess I have accepted by faith that there is something called eternity and infinity... but that doesn't explain God. Belief in those things might even fit the Big Bang and evolution theories. I think what makes me believe that infinity and eternity is the ONE God ... is the evidence of intellect, creativeness, and LIFE.

        For there to BE LIFE ... there had to have been an original source... an omni-present LIFE within eternity. For there to be LIFE co-existing with intellect leads one to accept a creator/aka the LIVING creative GOD.
        Last edited by Ps82; October 10th, 2009, 08:24 PM.

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        • Originally posted by Aimiel View Post
          That's your opinion, and you're welcome to believe that, if you want, but Scripture shows us otherwise. John was describing Heaven, and got to view these things by having The Spirit of The Lord reveal them to him. You don't have to believe him, but he did describe what he saw, and Heaven is very real, whether you believe that It is or not.Actually, He has... He reveals them to us by His Spirit. You left off verse 10 in your quote:

          I Corinthians
          9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
          10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

          God reveals things to us by His Spirit, and if you don't receive those revelations, you don't believe in God. Without receiving revelation from God's Spirit, no one would know that Jesus is The Christ.


          My opinion, thanks.
          However, my opinion is that the Revelation of John is and was not to us. The Revelation was to the seven Churches, because that’s the opinion of God, that’s what he said. John interpreted the VISION for the seven Churches, not for the rest of the world. – Revelation 1:11 KJV – “I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, WHAT THOU "SEEST", WRITE IN A BOOK, AND SEND IT UNTO THE SEVEN CHURCHES WHICH ARE IN ASIA”. – You have what John saw, not what he wrote to the Churches. They would have understood it the same as you if John hadn’t interpreted it for them. You do not have the GIFT OF INTEREPRETATION; neither does anyone else that you or I know. None of the Apostles received anything but visions from God, and they interpreted the Gospel and did give that to us. The Revelation is not to you. – You have to change what it says, in order to teach what is said, and that’s God’s opinion. – Revelation 22:18 KJV – “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, (IF ANY MAN SHALL ADD UNTO THESE THINGS), God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book”. – You cannot add without changing, and that’s my opinion also.

          You say that Christ reveals THEM to “us” by his Spirit. That’s what he said, but that is for the Christian, not for the lost. If you have the mind of Christ, where did you get anything? You read what he said in the letter of the word, not the Spirit of the Word. God is that Spirit, that Holy Spirit or either there are two Holy Spirits. --- Please tell me what you received about those things that the lost have no idea what God is talking about, and is not written in any form, and the lost could not know them. He did give them to US. I can tell you what those things are. Can you tell me anything about anything of what is in your hereafter that is not a Parable? – Matthew 13:11 KJV – “Because it is given unto you (Not the lost) to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, BUT TO THEM (THE LOST) IT IS NOT GIVEN”. VERSE #13 - THEREFORE SPEAK I TO THEM (THE LOST) IN PARABLES”.

          Paul – 101009
          ---Gal. 4:16.
          ---"Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth"???

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          • Originally posted by Aimiel View Post
            Before the beginning, there was no creation. No space, no heavens, no stars, no earth, no measurment (nothing to measure), no time and nothing but The Eternal God.

            ********

            He began by creating the heavens and the earth. That includes the vastness of space itself. It also includes all measurement, including time.


            You said in your post #107 of this thread that you have not been disproven or disputed in the least of anything that you’ve said. Well some one should, because most of what you’re saying / teaching is error.
            I know, I know, you are not going to respond to such as this.

            There are many people that are too afraid to respond to the chastening of the Lord. - (No I’m not saying I’m the Lord and am chastening you, just in case you are one of the nasty people who like to fight like that). - It’s all Scriptures that is for the reproving, rebuking, “correcting” or instructing the false teacher who has the Word of God wrong, like you do. That is the chastening of the Lord by the Word of the Lord.

            Let me guess, you’re a Baptist.

            Your understanding of the Scriptures as stated in the "beginning" is totally in error. God ONLY created the Heaven (without an (S), only one heaven, there was not two heavens at the beginning. God did not say that there were two or more, you did in error. It did not in the beginning include the “vastness of space” as you call it. That was the “firmament” and it came later, after the beginning, not in the beginning. You said that includes all measurement, including time. There was NO MEASUREMENT, and there was NO TIME until the first day, which came later, and NOT IN THE BEGINNING.

            You now stand corrected by the Scriptures, which is the means of the chastening of the Lord.
            However, those as you will always despise the chastening of the Lord. God teaches that also.
            Peace?

            Paul – 101109
            ---Gal. 4:16.
            ---"Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth"???

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            • Originally posted by Aimiel View Post
              I don't stop loving someone because they make ad homenim comments or put up hammer-head smileys in reply to me. I don't stay warm and fuzzy while reading such tripe, but I do attempt to stay on the high road in my replies.

              I don't need to refute your remarks, because that's all they are: your opinion of what you've read. I don't doubt you believe what you believe because of what you've read; but neither do I believe that anything I've said has been disproven or disputed in the least. :squint:
              The same can be said of your remarks throughout this thread. I believe in flying pink unicorns. They MUST be real... you can't disprove them either.
              "The more scientifically literate, intellectually honest and objectively skeptical a person is, the more likely they are to disbelieve in anything supernatural, including god."

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              • Originally posted by Silent Hunter View Post
                The same can be said of your remarks throughout this thread. I believe in flying pink unicorns. They MUST be real... you can't disprove them either.

                Are you assuming nothing is knowable? There is much more evidence for theism/Christianity and against fairy tale creatures than you realize.
                Know God and make Him known! (YWAM)

                They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
                I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")

                Rev. 1:17, 18; Jer. 9:23, 24

                "No Compromise!" (Keith Green)

                The Pledge: He died for me; I'll live for Him.

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                • Originally posted by godrulz View Post
                  Are you assuming nothing is knowable?
                  Quite the classic Red Herring poster aren't you?

                  Originally posted by godrulz View Post
                  There is much more evidence for theism/Christianity and against fairy tale creatures than you realize.
                  No there's not...
                  "The more scientifically literate, intellectually honest and objectively skeptical a person is, the more likely they are to disbelieve in anything supernatural, including god."

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                  • Originally posted by Silent Hunter View Post
                    Quite the classic Red Herring poster aren't you?

                    No there's not...
                    Pickled herring, maybe.

                    Yes there is

                    Ardipithecus is a unique primate, not a man (nah nah).
                    Know God and make Him known! (YWAM)

                    They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
                    I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")

                    Rev. 1:17, 18; Jer. 9:23, 24

                    "No Compromise!" (Keith Green)

                    The Pledge: He died for me; I'll live for Him.

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                    • Originally posted by Silent Hunter View Post
                      Quite the classic Red Herring poster aren't you?

                      No there's not...


                      Oh yes there are.
                      You must not have read – 1 Corinthians 2:13-15 KJV – “Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14- But THE NATURAL MAN RECEIVETH NOT THE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT of God: for THEY ARE FOOLISHNESS UNTO HIM: NEITHER CAN HE KNOW THEM , because they are spiritually discerned. 15- But he that is spiritual judgeth all things”. “Judgeth, or knows all things”.
                      It appears you and Aimiel are as natural as the man spoken there. Some of you are afraid to stand up to some of the things that are spoken by others. – AAAHHHH, waiting.
                      Peace.

                      Paul – 101209
                      ---Gal. 4:16.
                      ---"Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth"???

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                      • Originally posted by godrulz View Post
                        Pickled herring, maybe.

                        Yes there is
                        LOL. Show me.
                        "The more scientifically literate, intellectually honest and objectively skeptical a person is, the more likely they are to disbelieve in anything supernatural, including god."

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                        • Originally posted by Letsargue View Post
                          Oh yes there are.
                          You must not have read – 1 Corinthians 2:13-15 KJV – “Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14- But THE NATURAL MAN RECEIVETH NOT THE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT of God: for THEY ARE FOOLISHNESS UNTO HIM: NEITHER CAN HE KNOW THEM , because they are spiritually discerned. 15- But he that is spiritual judgeth all things”. “Judgeth, or knows all things”.
                          It appears you and Aimiel are as natural as the man spoken there. Some of you are afraid to stand up to some of the things that are spoken by others. – AAAHHHH, waiting.
                          Peace.

                          Paul – 101209
                          LOL. Quotes from the Bible are no more proof of the Christian god than quotes from Bulfinch's Mythology are proof of flying pink unicorns.

                          Would you agree with this statement:

                          "Everything that is had a beginning?"
                          "The more scientifically literate, intellectually honest and objectively skeptical a person is, the more likely they are to disbelieve in anything supernatural, including god."

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                          • God is the uncreated eternal Creator.

                            I don't know why you think a medical textbook or the Word of God/Bible must be like a trashy novel. There is a difference between proof for God and proof for pink unicorns or spaghetti monsters.
                            Know God and make Him known! (YWAM)

                            They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
                            I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")

                            Rev. 1:17, 18; Jer. 9:23, 24

                            "No Compromise!" (Keith Green)

                            The Pledge: He died for me; I'll live for Him.

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                            • Originally posted by godrulz View Post
                              God is the uncreated eternal Creator.
                              Prove it.

                              It's laughable how Christians demand to have it both ways, ie:

                              "Everything that is (except their god) had a creator."

                              Originally posted by godrulz View Post
                              I don't know why you think a medical textbook or the Word of God/Bible must be like a trashy novel.
                              How is a medical textbook a "trashy novel?"

                              (Reminder to self; when cornered Christians resort to changing the subject.)

                              Originally posted by godrulz View Post
                              There is a difference between proof for God and proof for pink unicorns or spaghetti monsters.
                              There is? Either prove pink unicorns and spaghetti monsters don't exist or that the Christian god does exist. I'll wait.
                              "The more scientifically literate, intellectually honest and objectively skeptical a person is, the more likely they are to disbelieve in anything supernatural, including god."

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                              • Genesis 1:1
                                Romans 1
                                Psalm 19
                                Psalm 14:1
                                Jn. 3:16
                                Jn. 1:1-14

                                The burden of proof is on you to prove that He does not exist. There is no coherent explanation for reality apart from a personal God.

                                Is matter eternal in your view? Where did it come from?

                                God is uncreated. He is unique. He is the first cause. I don't know how He has always existed, but it blows my mind and leads me to love and worship Him.
                                Know God and make Him known! (YWAM)

                                They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
                                I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")

                                Rev. 1:17, 18; Jer. 9:23, 24

                                "No Compromise!" (Keith Green)

                                The Pledge: He died for me; I'll live for Him.

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