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  • #46
    Originally posted by Inzl Kett View Post
    Unusual Question. One has to be able to reason to understand the concept of lying, something that the animal kingdom altogether lacks. There is a qualitative difference between humans and animals, not just quantitative. They are made in the image of God, enabling them to understand concepts such as lying. An animal, even a dolphin is not going to understand that you told it a lie. Animals live for procreation and eating. Smarter ones enjoy play. They are not emotionally impacted by moral concepts such as lying. Banjo the dog only knows you didn't put out his doggie dish. He doesn't know you promised to do it and didn't. Lying to an animal-loopy, but not immoral.
    No, animals are not made in the image of God. They do not have an eternal soul that is why God allowed them to be used as a sacrifice.
    Last edited by sky.; June 6th, 2013, 04:06 PM.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by lovemeorhateme View Post
      How exactly does one 'lie' to an animal?

      This is what I am wondering. Are we talking about verbal lies? I cannot lie to a dog. I can say "hey, if you're good we'll go to Alaska" when I don't really meant it but the dog has no clue what I have just said and really doesn't care. I can't see where this is particular wrong. I would imagine the human is just trying to amuse themselves by having a conversation with a pet that doesn't understand.

      If I signed to an ape that he could have such and such if he completed a task and I had no intention of giving him that item ~ yes, that would be wrong. The ape knows what I am saying, knows what I am offering and understands. That just makes me a liar.

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      • #48
        Another question one has to ask is if lying to an animal is immoral do we need to ask God for forgiveness of it.

        "Here rat (who has invaded my home) is a box of goodies".

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        • #49
          Hmmm...

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          • #50
            Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
            Carl Sagan recounts the chimp, who when asked who urinated on the lab floor, blamed a human researcher.
            Was it Carl?

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Traditio View Post
              Are you sore with me for some reason? Have I offended you in some way?
              Yes, and yes. On various levels, to varying degrees. Unfortunately, I think most of it is out of your realm of comprehension.



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              • #52
                Originally posted by zoo22 View Post
                Yes, and yes. On various levels, to varying degrees. Unfortunately, I think most of it is out of your realm of comprehension.
                Oh. Well if I've offended you, then I am sorry to have done so. I don't think that I've set out to do so.

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                • #53
                  What's up Knight? That seems like a goofy question; how does one lie to an animal?
                  So, what?

                  believe it!

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Knight View Post
                    toldailytopic: Is lying to an animal immoral?
                    Pete stole my question.

                    Originally posted by lovemeorhateme View Post
                    How exactly does one 'lie' to an animal?

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Ktoyou View Post
                      What's up Knight? That seems like a goofy question; how does one lie to an animal?
                      Very carefully!

                      Maybe it should be thought of like the tree comment. If a tree falls in the forest but no one is around to hear, does it make a sound? Basically, it doesn't matter what the condition/position of any animal is. It doesn't change the fact that a lie was issued. Kind of like what Yeshua said about it not being what goes into a person that makes them unclean but rather what comes out of them. Nevermind who or what it's directed at.
                      I AM the pie lady!!

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                      • #56
                        The cheese is a lie

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                        • #57
                          How does one lie to an animal?

                          Edit: sorry i see others have asked this also, i responded before reading through
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by glorydaz View Post
                            I love my dogs, but sometimes I've had to give them quite a lickin' for their own good. Poor things.
                            What does "quite a lickin" mean? Hoping for the best interpretation here.

                            Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by annabenedetti View Post
                              What does "quite a lickin" mean? Hoping for the best interpretation here.
                              Back when I was a kid and I heard some one say they were going to give me a licking it meant that they were about to beat me....I would assume that it means the same for a pet/animal?

                              I guess by changing the words (licking/beating) it made it sound as if they weren't abusing a child. Funny how some don't want to accept that they may be doing something brutal to a child but do it any way by softening the words. Such fond memory's of childhood.
                              Do not go gentile into that good night. D.Thomas

                              Out, Out, Brief Candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player, That struts and frets his hour upon the stage, And then is heard no more, It is a tale told by an idiot, Full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing. W.S.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by glorydaz View Post
                                ...sometimes I've had to give them quite a lickin' ...


                                I've never tried that.

                                Sometimes I use the hose, or if we're at the cottage I'll just toss them in the river and get in with them with a bar of soap.


                                Doesn't your tongue get tired?

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