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  • ECT: What is the Gospel?

    I am a non-believer interested in knowing what the good news is. I ask because, in my experience, Christians do not seem to agree on the specifics. One might point to the issue of the scope of Christ's salvific provision as being particularly relevant.

    If the Gospel isn't clearly defined then, surely, the non-believer may legitimately ask, 'Believe in what?'

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    Originally posted by Sonnet View Post
    I am a non-believer interested in knowing what the good news is. I ask because, in my experience, Christians do not seem to agree on the specifics. One might point to the issue of the scope of Christ's salvific provision as being particularly relevant.

    If the Gospel isn't clearly defined then, surely, the non-believer may legitimately ask, 'Believe in what?'
    You are called upon to trust, repent and to be holy.

    You cannot do these things and so, unless you are converted, you will die in your sin and suffer eternal punishment.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Truster View Post
      You are called upon to trust, repent and to be holy.

      You cannot do these things and so, unless you are converted, you will die in your sin and suffer eternal punishment.
      Trust in what exactly? What good news am I to look to?

      Is 1 Corinthians 15:3-8 the good news that I am to put my faith in?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Sonnet View Post
        I am a non-believer interested in knowing what the good news is. I ask because, in my experience, Christians do not seem to agree on the specifics. One might point to the issue of the scope of Christ's salvific provision as being particularly relevant.

        If the Gospel isn't clearly defined then, surely, the non-believer may legitimately ask, 'Believe in what?'



        The good news is that God came in Christ and solved the debt of sin through Christ's suffering on the cross. 'Solving' the debt of sin is not the same as ending all evil, whether in our own lives or in the world in general. The proof of this benefit is the resurrection of the God-Man Jesus Christ, whose life and work God approved. What he did benefits those who believe on that same life and work; they are justified from their sins, which is to say, forgiven. The gift of forgiveness will change their lives enormously.

        The event of God coming in Christ was historic. This is a surprise to some; the Christian faith is a historic faith, rather than a 'religion' or a subjective, inward thing only. This historic event was also the purpose or legacy toward which Israel was moving. This was announced to them in the 1st century AD by the apostles right when their country was falling into the worst conditions they had ever had. And Israel was to become messengers of this, but of course we all are to share the same news with all mankind.
        All Lives Matter --Marcus Sanford, youtube.com

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Interplanner View Post
          The good news is that God came in Christ and solved the debt of sin through Christ's suffering on the cross. 'Solving' the debt of sin is not the same as ending all evil, whether in our own lives or in the world in general. The proof of this benefit is the resurrection of the God-Man Jesus Christ, whose life and work God approved. What he did benefits those who believe on that same life and work; they are justified from their sins, which is to say, forgiven. The gift of forgiveness will change their lives enormously.

          The event of God coming in Christ was historic. This is a surprise to some; the Christian faith is a historic faith, rather than a 'religion' or a subjective, inward thing only. This historic event was also the purpose or legacy toward which Israel was moving. This was announced to them in the 1st century AD by the apostles right when their country was falling into the worst conditions they had ever had. And Israel was to become messengers of this, but of course we all are to share the same news with all mankind.
          This isn't the view of all Christians though, is it? Not all would preach 1 Corinthians 15:3-8 to an unbeliever would they?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Truster View Post
            You are called upon to trust, repent and to be holy.

            You cannot do these things and so, unless you are converted, you will die in your sin and suffer eternal punishment.
            Way to share the good news Bluster !!!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sonnet View Post
              This isn't the view of all Christians though, is it? Not all would preach 1 Corinthians 15:3-8 to an unbeliever would they?
              1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV -

              Read Paul's letters, Romans Thru Philemon, it won't take that long.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Sonnet View Post
                This isn't the view of all Christians though, is it? Not all would preach 1 Corinthians 15:3-8 to an unbeliever would they?



                they should! Christ died for our sins. Exactly what I'm saying. Historic fact, before you get to inner changes.
                All Lives Matter --Marcus Sanford, youtube.com

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Sonnet View Post
                  Trust in what exactly? What good news am I to look to?

                  Is 1 Corinthians 15:3-8 the good news that I am to put my faith in?
                  Don't you come on every once in a while and ask these same questions over and over?

                  You reject, Jesus Christ.

                  Many have prayed for you.
                  Last edited by Eagles Wings; September 28th, 2017, 09:33 AM.
                  Psalm 42:1-2 (KJV)

                  1 As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God.

                  2 My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?
                  .

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                  • #10
                    This thread should be moved to general Religion.
                    Psalm 42:1-2 (KJV)

                    1 As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God.

                    2 My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?
                    .

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sonnet View Post
                      Trust in what exactly? What good news am I to look to?

                      Is 1 Corinthians 15:3-8 the good news that I am to put my faith in?
                      If it ever happens you'll know and understand. Trust is the result of salvation.
                      I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

                      "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

                      I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
                      A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
                      If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

                      Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

                      I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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                      • #12
                        The nature of this thread for now seems to be honest inquiry. If it turns into a troll thread or bash Christianity thread, it will get moved. I will also remove posters that present themselves a distraction from honest inquiry.

                        June is Gay Pride Month.Tolerance and diversity? ☞ More like tolerate perversity.☠

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sherman View Post
                          The nature of this thread for now seems to be honest inquiry. If it turns into a troll thread or bash Christianity thread, it will get moved. I will also remove posters that present themselves a distraction from honest inquiry.
                          Given Sonnet's past postings, it is my conclusion that he is a troll.

                          He is well read in Scripture, yet is not a believer by his own admission.
                          Psalm 42:1-2 (KJV)

                          1 As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God.

                          2 My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?
                          .

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Eagles Wings View Post
                            Given Sonnet's past postings, it is my conclusion that he is a troll.

                            He is well read in Scripture, yet is not a believer by his own admission.
                            I'd say that Sherman's post covers the issue perfectly.

                            He may be a troll, but until he starts trolling in this thread....
                            All of my ancestors are human.
                            Originally posted by Squeaky
                            That explains why your an idiot.
                            Originally posted by God's Truth
                            Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                            Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                            (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                            1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                            (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                            Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Sonnet View Post
                              I am a non-believer interested in knowing what the good news is. I ask because, in my experience, Christians do not seem to agree on the specifics. One might point to the issue of the scope of Christ's salvific provision as being particularly relevant.

                              If the Gospel isn't clearly defined then, surely, the non-believer may legitimately ask, 'Believe in what?'
                              Regarding said scope...

                              I was just now thinking on this issue, while responding to a pm someone sent me.

                              How that there is oh so much more in the Cross then merely "Christ died for our sins..."

                              There is...all that victory...now possible, and unto His glory.

                              All because of...Romans 5:8.

                              How that the gospel of the grace of God, is two-fold.

                              It is what God's focus was, while we were yet sinners, even while calling that sin out.

                              His grace towards us in His Son's Cross....

                              Romans 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

                              That is the gospel of the grace of God.

                              But that is only the beginning of it's resulting new life...in His Son.

                              For it is also what each our own focus can now be, both towards ourselves during and after our own failures, but also - towards others, during and after their own failures, even while calling our own and or their own failures, out.

                              All this Grace of His towards us in His Son is intended to result in the Glory of The Father in His Son, by His Spirit, in His New Creature: The Body of Christ.

                              When the following is ours...

                              When ours is that focus that can be "I screwed up, and I am called to hold myself accountable, and Christ died to pay for this failure of mine - thank God for the Truth of Romans 5:8 - clearly; I needed, and need...His grace towards us in His Son!

                              A focus that can also be "my neighbor screwed up, and we are called to hold one another accountable, and Christ also died to pay for this failure of theirs - thank God for the Truth of Romans 5:8 on all our behalf - clearly; my neighbor also needed, and needs...His grace towards us in His Son, and through us, to one another!

                              Both sides of this grace made possible by the truth of Romans 5:8, are evident in the following...

                              Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

                              5:7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth? 5:8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you. 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

                              5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 5:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

                              In other words, the victory of the Cross does not end, but is rather, just the beginning of it all, at salvation.

                              There is what it's focus can be from salvation forward - towards oneself, and towards one another in His Son.

                              During the good, during the bad, whether when in hand in hand, or when calling out oneself, or one another.

                              This is the victory of the Cross.

                              Thus, the Apostle Paul's...

                              Galatians 6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

                              2 Corinthians 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us. 4:8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair; 4:9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed; 4:10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body. 4:11 For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh. 4:12 So then death worketh in us, but life in you. 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak; 4:14 Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you. 4:15 For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God. 4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day. 4:17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

                              All because of...Romans 5:8.

                              Amazing Grace...indeed!

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