ECT More evidence that Preterism is a cult

[musterion]

https://www.ecclesia.org/truth/preterist-questions.html

Lots to choose from but the screenshot below really stands out. Notice what it's saying: uninspired historical accounts can and indeed MUST be read"with spiritual perception."

To encourage the reading of anything with discernment is one thing. To encourage reading human writings "with spiritual perception" implies something very different. It implies that there is spiritual truth therein that only the spiritually perceptive can draw out. So the writer just put historical accounts written by unbelieving humans on the same authoritative AND SPIRITUAL level of the Bible.

Also note where the author says that those who refuse preterism's reading of history "are making the same mistake the Jews did."

According to the Bible, what was the #1 mistake the Jews made? UNBELIEF. Lack of faith in the Word of God. They didn't believe it because they had come to favor their own religious traditions instead.

Once again, a preterist equates human historical accounts with the Word of God and indicts anyone who disagrees with preterism with (at best) lack of spiritual perception or (at worst) unbelief.

It is a cult.

 

[Interplanner]

https://www.ecclesia.org/truth/preterist-questions.html

Lots to choose from but the screenshot below really stands out. Notice what it's saying: uninspired historical accounts can and indeed MUST be read"with spiritual perception."

To encourage the reading of anything with discernment is one thing. To encourage reading human writings "with spiritual perception" implies something very different. It implies that there is spiritual truth therein that only the spiritually perceptive can draw out. So the writer just put historical accounts written by unbelieving humans on the same authoritative AND SPIRITUAL level of the Bible.

Also note where the author says that those who refuse preterism's reading of history "are making the same mistake the Jews did."

According to the Bible, what was the #1 mistake the Jews made? UNBELIEF. Lack of faith in the Word of God. They didn't believe it because they had come to favor their own religious traditions instead.

Once again, a preterist equates human historical accounts with the Word of God and indicts anyone who disagrees with preterism with (at best) lack of spiritual perception or (at worst) unbelief.

It is a cult.

2P2P is a cult too, for the same reason.

I refuse to use "futurism" and "preterism" because they mean too many things. That's why I refer to a specific doctrine.

The biological time clock of humans is not "human authority" either. The babies who nursed during the crucifixion became adults and that's when the desolation of Jerusalem took place. And when the final judgement was expected, but that was delayed.

 

[musterion]

This thread is about preterism.

You've insisted more than once that you are not a preterist.

Therefore, this thread has no significance for you.

Please leave.

 

[Interplanner]

This thread is about preterism.

You've insisted more than once that you are not a preterist.

Therefore, this thread has no significance for you.

Please leave.

lol. You would miss the point, wouldn't you? You want to feel good about attacking something that may not exist. Meanwhile the truth of D'ist doctrines that really do exist is of no interest to you.

But just the same, thanks for distinguishing between history and peterism or whatever it is.

 

[Interplanner]

Hope you appreciated Holford's historical work as depicted in the synopsis of my next script. See the thread.

 

[musterion]

You said more than once you are NOT a preterist.

This thread is about preterism.

Please leave it now, it has nothing to do with you (unless you lied and really are a preterist).

 

[Danoh]

Truth be told, neither Reformed, nor Dispensational Theology are...a cult.

And both Full and Partial Preterism are a school of though within the larger: Reformed school.

At the same time, men like Calvin (Reformed) and Darby (Dispensational) were BOTH known to have been VERY cult-like...themselves.

There are what are a full blown cults.

And then there are SOME individuals within BOTH Reformed and Dispensational Theology...or within ANY group in Society in general...who are VERY cult-like.

Their mark?

What are the distinctions that make it obvious one is either dealing with a full blown cult, or with SOME individuals within ANY group who by their cult-like way are giving the rest of their group a bad witness?

Which are you, the reader?

Rate yourself as to that by your response to this post of mine here according to the descriptions on this link...

http://www.esama.ca/warning-signs-that-you-are-in-a-cult

 

[musterion]

Anyone who diminishes the Word of God in favor of human teaching, or overtly/subvertly elevates human writings to the level of Scripture, is in a cult.

Of course most people will try to make the case that everyone who disagrees with them is in a cult and will try to cite reasons why. But relatively few people claim that SPIRITUAL perception is needed to draw special meaning (hidden from others who lack their enlightenment/perception) out of objectively UNINSPIRED writings.

Paint it whatever color you want but THAT is cultic.

 

[Danoh]

Put Paul on your list...in the following, he both quoted, and agreed with...a pagan source.

Titus 1:12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

How about this one?

1 Corinthians 15:29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

Or this?

Matthew 7:9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? 7:10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him? 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

And there are plenty of examples like those from one end of Scripture to...the other.

Your reasoning is...your own.

Plain and simple.

 

[musterion]

1. Paul was inspired. No one since has been.

2. Paul did not equate non inspired writings with the Scriptures. He simply quoted one.

3. Paul neither stated not implied that a special degree of spiritual insight was needed to understand unspiritual writings.

If the Jordanites offer a Logic 101 class, sign up.

 

[Danoh]

Not all 66 books of the Bible were inspired.

Luke and Acts are two that are not, just as some of the other histories (in the OT) are not.

And not all that Paul wrote was inspired.

And throw out the KJV - it was not inspired.

Neither are its' book titles, and so on.

As for your Jordan comment, thanks for the compliment :chuckle:

 

[ClimateSanity]

Not all 66 books of the Bible were inspired.

Luke and Acts are two that are not, just as some of the other histories (in the OT) are not.

And not all that Paul wrote was inspired.

And throw out the KJV - it was not inspired.

Neither are its' book titles, and so on.

As for your Jordan comment, thanks for the compliment :chuckle:

All scripture is inspired. Are you saying that some of the 66 books are not scripture?

 

[ClimateSanity]

Put Paul on your list...in the following, he both quoted, and agreed with...a pagan source.

Titus 1:12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

How about this one?

1 Corinthians 15:29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

Or this?

Matthew 7:9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? 7:10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him? 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

And there are plenty of examples like those from one end of Scripture to...the other.

Your reasoning is...your own.

Plain and simple.

So,anything a pagan says cannot possibly be inspired?

 

[Danoh]

All scripture is inspired. Are you saying that some of the 66 books are not scripture?

Luke 1:1 Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us, 1:2 Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word; 1:3 It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus, 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

1 Corinthians 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

And who was inspired to write Genesis thru Deuteronomy?

Who then added the following HISTORY?

Deuteronomy 34:5 So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD.

And that is just some of that.

 

[Danoh]

So,anything a pagan says cannot possibly be inspired?

Anything a pagan said that was inspired...was.

And anything that was not...was not.

Nebuchadnezzar is a prime example of both, among others described in Scripture.

And anything that a lost person says that happens to be true...is.

Thus, Paul's "This witness is true."

 

[heir]

Not all 66 books of the Bible were inspired.

says the unbeliever

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

You've no reason to believe any of it then.

 

[Danoh]

says the unbeliever

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

You've no reason to believe any of it then.

So responds the cult-like individual.

Nevertheless, it is a fact that is not all inspired Scripture...

Things that are different are not - well, you know the rest - you're forever parroting it, while violating it :chuckle:

And I do not expect you to understand any of the above; you are married to your views to a point where there is no pointing out to you where you are lacking in sound principles for studying a thing out.

It is what it is with some within MAD.

You're a real character - disliking someone because they challenge what you hold to.

Must be that "grace" gospel you ever display so little "grace" of when challenged on your errors :chuckle:

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

So responds the cult-like individual.

Nevertheless, it is a fact that is not all inspired Scripture...

Things that are different are not - well, you know the rest - you're forever parroting it, while violating it :chuckle:

And I do not expect you to understand any of the above; you are married to your views to a point where there is no pointing out to you where you are lacking in sound principles for studying a thing out.

It is what it is with some within MAD.

You're a real character - disliking someone because they challenge what you hold to.

Must be that "grace" gospel you ever display so little "grace" of when challenged on your errors :chuckle:

You're delusional. Heir is one of the most knowledgeable, intelligent, filled with wisdom and Spiritual discernment types on TOL. You are one of the most divisive characters ever to wander onto TOL since I've been here. You love to attack those who trust in the Grace Gospel and MAD. You're always in attack mode against such. You're repulsive.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

says the unbeliever

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

You've no reason to believe any of it then.

Amen.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Not all 66 books of the Bible were inspired.

Luke and Acts are two that are not, just as some of the other histories (in the OT) are not.

And not all that Paul wrote was inspired.

And throw out the KJV - it was not inspired.

Neither are its' book titles, and so on.

As for your Jordan comment, thanks for the compliment :chuckle:

You ought to be thrown out of the "Exclusively Christian Theology" for what you just said.