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  • Why can’t everyone have a chance to be drawn

    People always say God wishes none shall parish. Therr cannot be both. If salvation is only through grace of God choosing whom He allows to be drawn to Him then he is not giving everyone that he created a chance. How can people see that and see that as perfect loving ness toward all the humans that he created and puts pressure on to do all these things? But so many verses say He does as he pleases. I wish I would have been created in a way that my brain was simple and did not analyze and race cause its the worst type of mental wiring for faith. But faith is given by God anyways as a gift to those he chooses. And I found time and again specific words that showed exclusivity that Gid himself chose as who gets saved. As in those appointed or chosen believed as in the others tho they heard the word were not able to believe cause they had not been chosen to believe with the gift of Gid as faith.

    John 6:44
    No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him,

    ohn 6:39
    And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day.

    John 6:65
    Then Jesus said, "This is why I told you that no one can come to Me unless the Father has granted it to him."

    Acts 13:48
    and all who had been appointed to eternal life believed


  • #2
    Originally posted by Lowly one View Post
    People always say God wishes none shall parish. Therr cannot be both. If salvation is only through grace of God choosing whom He allows to be drawn to Him then he is not giving everyone that he created a chance.
    Who says that He doesn't give everybody a chance (Besides Calvinists, of course, who limit the Atonement to the "Elect", who are the only ones called. and who MUST respond, since God's "grace" is irresistable).

    The bottom line is that ONLY UNDER CONVICTION OF SIN, and of judgement can a person really Repent and surrender to God, and that Holy Spirit CONVICTION is the source of the FAITH necessary to accept Jesus' SIN OFFERING for cleansing and being "Born Again" of the Spirit.

    But it's really only the Reformed (Calvinist) Paradigm that has created a genre of people that are NEVER called, were born to BURN, and have no choice in the matter. I was given many "Chances", and turned 'em ALL down - until the last one, when I finally broke, and surrendered in FAITH.

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    • #3
      That’s your story. People can’t just go by their story. There’s billions around the world that never even know what conviction means.

      Gid says he has mercy and hardens who he wants and no one can do nothing. Everyone wants mercy and don’t turn that down but being hardened against your will unto spiritual death no one who understands wants that. That’s against someone’s will

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Lowly one View Post
        Why can’t everyone have a chance to be drawn
        Lowly one, the Lord Jesus said:

        "And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself" (Jn.12:32).

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        • #5
          That word is not all the world but those throughout the workd since he care from all tribes and tongues that Gid has given him. Just like when he says All those father has given me will come to me and that Jesus doesn’t pray for the world but only those God gave him. That is exclusive from everyone in the world. In Joel 2 it says God will pour out spirit on ALL flesh and they will dream dreams and visions. That is happening now and past years where people from all over the world have been given dreams and visions of sooo many prophetic things about the endtime period that is right around the corner and in birth pangs right now and 90% of the church does not know. But they are very confident about whatever they believe. My point is ALL Christians are not getting dreams and visions. Even if u somehow say that was from the past tho the chapter is about endtime prophecy then everyone in the whole world at that last time would have had dreams and visions from Gid himself. That’s gonna change entire world if ALL men had that happen.

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          • #6
            Have ALL peoples been drawn to Him? Billions don’t know about Jesus. Or all nations would have Christianity as their religion. Some from each nation have been drawn individually tho.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Lowly one View Post
              Have ALL peoples been drawn to Him? Billions don’t know about Jesus. Or all nations would have Christianity as their religion. Some from each nation have been drawn individually tho.
              When John wrote what he did at John 12:32 Paul had already taken the gospel of grace to all the known world (Col.1:4-6). That gospel speaks of things which are "freely" given to all who believe. And all people are drawn to the idea of something that is freely given. The gospel comes in power and in the Holy Spirit (1 Thess.1:5) and only those who resist the Holy Spirit (Acts 7:51) do not believe the gospel.

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              • #8
                does everyone in existence at least know of Jesus or met him? Cause that’s what ur saying by ALL men being drawn to him. So they were drawn to him but accepted or turned down so every person existence would at least know about him. That clearly has not happened or the world would be totally different. Did “ALL” people of the world have dreams and visions like in Joel 2? So the word ALL in the Bible is not being translated or interpreted right.

                U sayin Paul went to the entire world? One prophecy is that Jesus will come when the gospel will go around the whole world and he hasn’t came back yet.


                I heard the gospel hundreds of times and never felt the Holy Spirit In “power” but yet I sure wanted to be saved and responded best I knew how.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Lowly one View Post
                  does everyone in existence at least know of Jesus or met him? Cause that’s what ur saying by ALL men being drawn to him.
                  Do you or do you not believe what the Lord Jesus said here?:

                  "And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself" (Jn.12:32).



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