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  • #76
    Originally posted by clefty View Post
    you just claimed something WAS because someone else said it still IS...LOL

    You sure twist a lot...

    Old Law still is...the Old Covenant is faded but His Law is now in our New Covenant circumcised hearts and Christ mind “inner jew”...ya dig? Paul did

    “Here are they that keep the commandments of Yah and the faith OF Yahushua”

    What is His faith? Buddha? Hindu? Muslim? Catholic? Protestant? Your “every day is Holy eat whatever”?

    Sabbath makes you MAD...so sad
    There is a new law on the hearts and minds of the saved, and it is Christ's law.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by God's Truth View Post

      With an ‘is’ or not, it doesn’t change the truth. The shadow is of Christ.
      That is what the scripture says.
      actually were you willing to be honest and study it

      https://www.cogwriter.com/news/churc...the-holy-days/

      You would realize that the greek is indeed different and translated in error...



      Here Paul says plainly that the eating and drinking and holydays and new moon and sabbath days ARE SHADOWS.

      Colossians 2 :16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

      17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ
      HALLELUYAH and BRAVO you see? THEY ARE SHADOWS...and notice the “s” is small in sabbath so it is not a Sabbath which is weekly...once at the end of it...the seventh day...

      Oh and see? That “IS” is still italicized because it is NOT in the original greek but necessary to make it body is Christ instead of Body OF Christ...you know the ekklessia the only one to judge the keeping of these shadows...which point to the good things to come...STILL


      Here is a scripture that says THE LAW has a shadow.
      INDEED...wow you are on a roll tonight...it does INDEED have a shadow still...present tense...well done...nothing DID HAVE past tense about the Law having had a shadow back then but not now...


      Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
      You forgot Heb 8:5 too...but hey baby steps right? All this present tense still binding works befitting repentance is overwhelming at first...but practice your circumcised heart and “inner Jew” and with the Spirit you will continue to “follow Him”...AS HE LIVED...HIS FAITH LIFESTYLE...


      So your twisting of the scripture Colossians 2:1 is proven even more so of a twist.
      Now what?

      I don’t want to twist Col 2:1 in fact I empathize with Paul his struggle for those in Laodacia...that they NOT fall for FALSE WITNESS teachings because they become MAD about His righteousness and think they are rich and in need of nothing “NOT FOR ME”

      but you/yours are lukewarm and in need to become zealous (for His WAYS AND LAWS) and repent...from naked self riches false gold of your “every day is Holy eat whatever” another gospel another christ...

      but to buy gold from Him and white garments (His righteousness NOT your own clever sayings) and anoint your eyes with salve that you might finally SEE Rev 3:14-22

      Remember as you said “There is a Sabbath every week

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      • #78
        Originally posted by clefty View Post

        Even a broken clock gets it right twice a day...and a blind squirrel finds an acorn...certainly an oak tree? LOL
        And you see all those things while a clamp of Satan's is on your ankle.

        Originally posted by clefty View Post

        But yes this is EXACTLY one of the reasons WHY Jews wanted to stir up the people against Yahushua and His disciples/followers and to do so they taught EXACTLY what YOU do...”Jesus changed the customs Moses delivered”...
        Jesus did change things. Jesus said you have to go through him now.

        Originally posted by clefty View Post

        which of course this was FALSE WITNESS as Luke made clear...in fact the Jewish rumors got so bad poor Paul had to make a VOW to PROVE he was NOT teaching what you do...”all that was a shadow gone away”
        You just ramble on while lost in your forest with your ankle in a trap while you look at the squirrels and acorns and oak trees.


        Originally posted by clefty View Post
        But yes BINGO Jews really hated Yahushua AND because He “encouraged the gentiles to crowd the synagogue”...or as Paul put it “Yahusha tore down the middle wall of division between us (he was a Jew writing goyim in Ephesus) and abolished in His flesh the enmity of the Jews for the goyim making a new creation of the two...joining them...”

        So yes...good on you

        Jews did NOT want THIS gospel of INCLUSION from THIS Christ the Hope of all Israel from since it was THIS ekklessia in the wilderness...

        so they started rumors and slanders and false witness...which you now continue...LOL
        Jesus taught that he was the temple. You are badly mistaken.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by God's Truth View Post


          These scriptures plainly explain that Jesus is the Sabbath Rest.
          nope as there is a Sabbath every week...still...remember you said that?

          Jesus is the good that came and no more shifting shadows in light.
          and He is to come to take us to places He has prepared for us that we might be there also...


          Hebrew 8 1Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest,


          Did you read that? WE HAVE A HIGH PRIEST---not to come, but we have a High Priest.
          yup administering His Law in our circumcised hearts and Christ minded “inner Jew”...He is up there preparing for us to be there with Him also...

          4For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: 5Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things,
          yup serve unto the example...

          On earth as it is in heaven...we ESTABLISH that claims Paul...Rom 3:31 neat eh?


          Did you read that? The temple, the priests, the offerings, the law were all AN EXAMPLE---A SHADOW of the things in heaven.
          ummm...right and there is where we are headed...so practice NOW for what it is like THERE so when we come back HERE well easy peasy right? ON earth as it is IN HEAVEN...NOW do it...

          The New Covenant

          7For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

          8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:


          ; 9Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

          11And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 15Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

          16This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

          17And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

          18Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
          Yup yup and yes...I am going to type this slowly so you can understand it...

          Covenants are renewed...My Law in hearts and minds...NOTHING NEW or updated or Son’s edited Law...about this new covenant because HE MODELLED IT AND TAUGHT IT BEFORE HE SIGNED AND SEALED IT WITH HIS BLOOD AND DEATH...

          The testator dies...NO IT IS IN FORCE...do NOT change it...JUST LIKE do NOT think He came to change it...



          [I]According to you, the shadow is still the only thing as we wait for Jesus to come,
          His coming back to take us to heaven to Sukkot with Him 1000 years is INCLUSIVE of the good things TO COME which these shadows ARE still pointing to...

          EVEN THOUGH the scriptures SAY Jesus offered one sacrifice for ever and and sanctifies those who come to him to get saved.
          getting saved has now a yolk which is easy...as He bought you...and now you are His not your own wandering about yokeless every day holy eat whatever...but you are His SLAVE...HalleluYah right? I mean He saved you who wouldn’t WANT to do ANYTHING for Him in gratitude for what He did for you? Oh yeah millions and billions of MAD people claiming “but but but that’s NOT FOR ME”...you know “LORD LORD” but NOT doing His Father’s will...

          Jesus came and we no longer go by shadows, we go by Jesus.
          No you don’t...you go by 9/10ths obedience...9/10ths His way...

          Sabbath makes you MAD...”NOT FOR ME”...rather eat your bacon...than show Him gratitude for what He did...

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          • #80
            Originally posted by God's Truth View Post

            Go study about when this happened.

            Luke 24:27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, He explained to them what was written in all the Scriptures about Himself
            after His resurrection before the 40 days and 5 weekends in which NOTHING about your every day is now holy and eat whatever is mentioned or secretly fit to be told...

            Here is another scripture that rebukes you.

            John 12:16 At first His disciples did not understand these things, but after Jesus was glorified they remembered what had been done to Him, and they realized that these very things had also been written about Him.
            Right...again...they remembered and were not told after Jesus saw it fit to tell them these secrets you claim that every day is Holy and eat bacon...

            they remembered OT passages which spoke of a king riding a donkey...

            not your another gospel another christ idolatry...false worship...even a donkey spake more truth than you...

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            • #81
              Originally posted by God's Truth View Post

              You are being misleading.

              The Sabbath is SATURDAY.
              right agreeing with you is misleading? LOL

              You said there is a Sabbath day every week.

              You are so twisted you bite your own tail...like a dog...wait no Paul said they return to their own vomit oh wait you do that too...certainly do NOT return to Him His ways...



              Stop misusing the quote marks. This site has a quote feature so use it. You say I say things that I don't say.
              you said in the “The Lords day controversy” thread post #376

              “The only way the wall was taken away is when Jews and Gentiles believe and obey Jesus THE SAME WAY”

              To which I praised Yah you were beginning to see it...and now:

              [quote]As for Jews and Gentiles who want to get saved, they get saved the same way.[/qoute] HALLELUYAH...again EXACTLY as Peter preached...we Jews are to be saved in the same manner as they...neat eh? BY FAITH and then of course works befitting repentance THE SAME WAY believing and obeying...

              You really are getting it...



              Sabbath means Saturday.

              There is a Saturday every week.
              yes again BRAVO and HalleluYah

              We have to keep every day holy in the Lord.
              nope...every day is NOT made Holy just the seventh day Sabbath...we are to BE HOLY every day yes...but NOT KEEP every day holy...


              It makes no difference.
              WUT???!!! Of course it does...Sabbath is once a week the seventh day instituted at creation for ALL MAN...was kept prior receiving the Law at Mt Sinai...was enshrined in the IMMUTABLE LAW the 10 descriptions of His people and how they live where “I AM” the only commandment including the goyim and the only commandment instructed prayers be said it be kept in future times of trouble when Rome lay siege for months and years...

              And the other sabbaths are the annual ones that were given at Sinai to Israel and not just Jews and inclusive of those NOT OF JACOB even...neat eh? They remain as memorials in Yah’s calendar...and NOT of babylon its gregorian Easter and Christmas and Halloween...


              You use God's name in vain. That is a sin.
              I was giving thanks you were seeing that “every week has a Sabbath day” oh and your “Jews and Gentiles are to believe and obey the same way” and now here your “Jews and Gentiles are saved the same way”

              HalleluYah indeed...now having learned the holy commandment please do not return to your own like a dog to its own vomit...or a sow to its wallowing...thanks...

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              • #82
                Originally posted by God's Truth View Post

                And you see all those things while a clamp of Satan's is on your ankle.
                oh my...such a fertile imagination...make no image ok? Like bare no false witness...like Remember the Sabbath...LOL...and well you just MAD and claim “NOT FOR ME” all that is shadows changed no more...He abolished it...



                Jesus did change things.
                the administration of His Father’s Eternal Immutable Law...

                Jesus said you have to go through him now.
                yup...that is the mystery revealed...not faith apart from works...or gentiles to receive...but the entire OT had NO CLUE about Yahushua...they had FAITH...but did not know Him...had He been there then they would have to have chosen Him...so well it has ALWAYS been about FAITH first and then obedience...

                But since Vatican 2 and those other MAD Christian zionists Jews apparently have their own path to heaven...because to Jews is the Law...not us...just like you claim...



                You just ramble on while lost in your forest with your ankle in a trap while you look at the squirrels and acorns and oak trees.
                LOL...every time you resort to silly attempted put downs...you just MAD cause Paul took a VOW to prove He was still zealous for the Law...



                Jesus taught that he was the temple. You are badly mistaken.
                the temple is destroyed...why you do that to Jesus? Why you make Him a pile of stones...He needs no temple made of human hands...so if He is the temple is He needed...made of human hands?....not even John the revelator saw the temple because the Father and Son are its temple...still not the temple made by human hands...now a pile of rubble...

                we are a temple too...not the temple but A temple get it? In fact Paul tells the goyim in Ephesus joined with believing Jews they are a whole building growing into a holy temple in the Lord...again NOT the temple but a Holy temple...and temples have showtimes...you know when services take place...like Sabbaths and sabbaths...ya dig?

                Of course some Jews still claim they need the temple made by human hands...and sadly there are enough goyim MAD enough to support their separate way...all another gospel another christ...

                They all reject He is a High Priest administering His Father’s Law which states our rights to the PROMISE on condition...

                but you are MAD about the Sabbath like them “NOT FOR ME”...as satan himself believes but DOES NOT obey His Way “NOT FOR ME”

                Your love is NOT LIKE His does NOT obey AS He did...but only 9/10ths

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by clefty View Post
                  nope as there is a Sabbath every week...still...remember you said that?

                  There is a Sabbath/Saturday every week.
                  Originally posted by clefty View Post
                  yup administering His Law in our circumcised hearts and Christ minded “inner Jew”...He is up there preparing for us to be there with Him also...
                  Jesus made a new law.
                  You have a hard time with that.
                  Originally posted by clefty View Post
                  4For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: 5Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things,
                  yup serve unto the example...

                  On earth as it is in heaven...we ESTABLISH that claims Paul...Rom 3:31 neat eh?
                  So then you are all for an earthy temple and priest doing the sacrifices every day year after year?

                  Originally posted by clefty View Post
                  Did you read that? The temple, the priests, the offerings, the law were all AN EXAMPLE---A SHADOW of the things in heaven.
                  ummm...right and there is where we are headed...so practice NOW for what it is like THERE so when we come back HERE well easy peasy right? ON earth as it is IN HEAVEN...NOW do it...
                  Then you deny Jesus the sacrifice.

                  Originally posted by clefty View Post
                  Yup yup and yes...I am going to type this slowly so you can understand it...

                  Covenants are renewed...My Law in hearts and minds...NOTHING NEW or updated or Son’s edited Law...about this new covenant because HE MODELLED IT AND TAUGHT IT BEFORE HE SIGNED AND SEALED IT WITH HIS BLOOD AND DEATH...

                  The testator dies...NO IT IS IN FORCE...do NOT change it...JUST LIKE do NOT think He came to change it...
                  Jesus came and gave a new covenant, a new law, and new conditions.

                  Originally posted by clefty View Post


                  His coming back to take us to heaven to Sukkot with Him 1000 years is INCLUSIVE of the good things TO COME which these shadows ARE still pointing to...
                  There is no flesh and blood in heaven.
                  Jesus comes as the Holy Spirit to live in the hearts of the saved, and he will come again to give the saved new immortal bodies.

                  Originally posted by clefty View Post


                  getting saved has now a yolk which is easy...as He bought you...and now you are His not your own wandering about yokeless every day holy eat whatever...but you are His SLAVE...HalleluYah right? I mean He saved you who wouldn’t WANT to do ANYTHING for Him in gratitude for what He did for you? Oh yeah millions and billions of MAD people claiming “but but but that’s NOT FOR ME”...you know “LORD LORD” but NOT doing His Father’s will...
                  You said nothing changed though, remember?

                  Originally posted by clefty View Post
                  Jesus came and we no longer go by shadows, we go by Jesus.
                  No you don’t...you go by 9/10ths obedience...9/10ths His way...
                  There is a new law. The rules and regulation of the old law are gone, and new rules and regulations are given.
                  Originally posted by clefty View Post

                  Sabbath makes you MAD...”NOT FOR ME”...rather eat your bacon...than show Him gratitude for what He did...
                  You have no understanding.
                  For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
                    [/I]
                    There is a Sabbath/Saturday every week.
                    HalleluYah...which you REJECT...claim every day is Holy nothing special about seventh day being His Holy Day...


                    Jesus made a new law.
                    You have a hard time with that.
                    nope...He modeled and taught the New Covenant lifestyle...which you reject

                    So then you are all for an earthy temple and priest doing the sacrifices every day year after year?
                    Paul said it not me...he also said no need for shedding of blood...prolly enforced by the temples destruction...

                    You do realize the temple was always plan B...David wanted it...Not Yah...nor for Israel to have a king...


                    Then you deny Jesus the sacrifice.
                    no NOT AT ALL...His blood has His Father’s wrath PASS OVER...is WHY I am grateful and wish to PLEASE Him His WAY...you however do NOT thus deny Him His


                    Jesus came and gave a new covenant, a new law, and new conditions.
                    so do AS He did and taught and you will do fine...your “every day is Sabbath day eat whatever” is NOT what He modelled or taught...



                    There is no flesh and blood in heaven.
                    sure there will be...UNCORRUPTED...as when we get there as He already is...

                    Jesus comes as the Holy Spirit to live in the hearts of the saved,
                    Acts 1:11 has the angels confirm that this SAME Jesus will so come in like manner” look at that...not just Spirit but uncorrupted flesh and blood going up flesh and blood coming down..

                    and he will come again to give the saved new immortal bodies.
                    nope...those asleep in Him will rise with glorified bodies and PUT ON immortality...we are NEVER immortal...there is ONLY ONE immortal...gives life to His ONLY begotten Son and finally those by adoption...


                    You said nothing changed though, remember?
                    nothing within the 10 the administration of it by Him to Him was given...He now administers it...all 10 and since we dont eat meat in the New Earth well no unclean will be eaten...or dead carcass touched...LOL


                    There is a new law. The rules and regulation of the old law are gone, and new rules and regulations are given.
                    NOT DEMONSTRATED OR TAUGHT by Him His Lifestyle or the apostles...Sabbath and sabbaths kept...Peter even kosher...

                    You have no understanding.
                    For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
                    Your righteousness is self made not His righteousness His Way...yours is of the world...why not eat human meat and be drunk all day every day?

                    Food and drink is not the kingdom of God right? Eat whatever drink whatever...might as well eat poison too...

                    never mind your body is a temple in which the Holy Spirit is to reside...go ahead defile it...make it unclean...Spirit doesnt mind...

                    Your another gospel another christ was NOT taught by Him or the disciples...

                    You really do think Acts 15 prohibitions “no blood and not strangled ” would make clean rats bats cats and wombats to eat...”here have some swine...what? There is no blood and it was not strangled” LOL

                    James concluded gentiles would hear “Moses preached every Sabbath”...but nooooo...that makes your uncircumcised heart MAD...”NOT FOR ME”

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by clefty View Post
                      right agreeing with you is misleading? LOL

                      You said there is a Sabbath day every week.

                      You are so twisted you bite your own tail...like a dog...wait no Paul said they return to their own vomit oh wait you do that too...certainly do NOT return to Him His ways...
                      You sound like a mad man.

                      Originally posted by clefty View Post

                      you said in the “The Lords day controversy” thread post #376

                      “The only way the wall was taken away is when Jews and Gentiles believe and obey Jesus THE SAME WAY”

                      To which I praised Yah you were beginning to see it...and now:

                      As for Jews and Gentiles who want to get saved, they get saved the same way.[/qoute] HALLELUYAH...again EXACTLY as Peter preached...we Jews are to be saved in the same manner as they...neat eh? BY FAITH and then of course works befitting repentance THE SAME WAY believing and obeying...

                      You really are getting it...

                      yes again BRAVO and HalleluYah

                      nope...every day is NOT made Holy just the seventh day Sabbath...we are to BE HOLY every day yes...but NOT KEEP every day holy...
                      So you think we are to keep six days a week unholy.

                      Originally posted by clefty View Post

                      WUT???!!! Of course it does...Sabbath is once a week the seventh day instituted at creation for ALL MAN...was kept prior receiving the Law at Mt Sinai...was enshrined in the IMMUTABLE LAW the 10 descriptions of His people and how they live where “I AM” the only commandment including the goyim and the only commandment instructed prayers be said it be kept in future times of trouble when Rome lay siege for months and years...

                      And the other sabbaths are the annual ones that were given at Sinai to Israel and not just Jews and inclusive of those NOT OF JACOB even...neat eh? They remain as memorials in Yah’s calendar...and NOT of babylon its gregorian Easter and Christmas and Halloween...


                      I was giving thanks you were seeing that “every week has a Sabbath day” oh and your “Jews and Gentiles are to believe and obey the same way” and now here your “Jews and Gentiles are saved the same way”

                      HalleluYah indeed...now having learned the holy commandment please do not return to your own like a dog to its own vomit...or a sow to its wallowing...thanks...
                      It is a sin to use God's name in vain as you are doing.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by God's Truth View Post

                        You sound like a mad man.
                        how you judge is questionable as demonstrated time and time again....

                        you return to your every day is holy eat whatever over and over again...something that came out of you rather than continuing in the holy commandment you have learned...



                        So you think we are to keep six days a week unholy.
                        where these days made Holy? NO...I did say WE are to BE HOLY every day but you missed that like you miss A LOT...

                        He made only ONE DAY HOLY...sanctified it...set IT apart from the other days asked we keep IT Holy...not make it holy or any other day...He made the seventh day Holy it is His Holy day...His Sabbath...

                        we can NOT make anything holy...only the Spirit can...



                        It is a sin to use God's name in vain as you are doing.
                        I use His name to celebrate and give glory to Him...what is in vain is attempting to assist your understanding of your another gospel another christ...that seems to be in vain...all for NAUGHT

                        despite you knowing Jews and Gentiles are saved the same way are to believe and obey Jesus the SAME WAY and there is A Sabbath every week...which you reject claiming to make other days holy...like they claimed a golden calf was proper worship...

                        HallaluYah you demonstrated you know the holy commandment... if you wish to return to what came from within you so be it...but use of His name was NOT in vain as I glorified Him...my attempting to reach you it seems is in vain...

                        I have learned a lot from you for which I thank you...I see how Sabbath makes so many MAD...cuz Paul taught “Jesus changed the customs Moses delivered to us” the SAME false witness slandering Jews said of Stephen...

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by clefty View Post
                          how you judge is questionable as demonstrated time and time again....

                          you return to your every day is holy eat whatever over and over again...something that came out of you rather than continuing in the holy commandment you have learned...
                          Jesus says it is good to do good on the Sabbath and evil to do bad on the Sabbath.

                          The only thing a person has to do is not do bad on a Sabbath; and, not do bad any day, thus all days are holy for those in Christ Jesus.

                          Originally posted by clefty View Post
                          where these days made Holy? NO...I did say WE are to BE HOLY every day but you missed that like you miss A LOT...

                          He made only ONE DAY HOLY...sanctified it...set IT apart from the other days asked we keep IT Holy...not make it holy or any other day...He made the seventh day Holy it is His Holy day...His Sabbath...

                          we can NOT make anything holy...only the Spirit can...

                          I use His name to celebrate and give glory to Him...
                          No, you used his name in vain to be sarcastic to me.

                          Originally posted by clefty View Post

                          what is in vain is attempting to assist your understanding of your another gospel another christ...that seems to be in vain...all for NAUGHT

                          despite you knowing Jews and Gentiles are saved the same way are to believe and obey Jesus the SAME WAY and there is A Sabbath every week...which you reject claiming to make other days holy...like they claimed a golden calf was proper worship...

                          HallaluYah you demonstrated you know the holy commandment... if you wish to return to what came from within you so be it...but use of His name was NOT in vain as I glorified Him...my attempting to reach you it seems is in vain...

                          I have learned a lot from you for which I thank you...I see how Sabbath makes so many MAD...cuz Paul taught “Jesus changed the customs Moses delivered to us” the SAME false witness slandering Jews said of Stephen...
                          You admitted that you don't keep the Sabbath day holy according to the old law like you said you did.

                          You also say you keep the dietary law according to the old law.

                          So have you ever had cheese or milk with your hamburger?

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by ffreeloader View Post
                            Love vs Obedience. The very title of this thread is a fallacy. Jesus proved it is a fallacy for Jesus is God, and God is love. So in Jesus we see love and obedience at perfect levels. Jesus never sinned, so He obeyed His Father perfectly. Obeyed the law perfectly. Jesus' life proves love and obedience go hand in hand. That they are not contrary to one another. Galatians 5 also proves this.

                            In other words the fruit of the Spirit is in violation of no law, including God's law, the 10 commandments.
                            If I got you well, it seems to me that it is hard for you to believe Jesus when he says: I and my Father are one. Otherwise, you would see clearly that the Will of Whom Jesus refers to as the/our/my/His Father in Heaven is indeed the Will of Jesus as well. So when Jesus does the Will of the Father in Heaven, He does His own Will actually. This is the case whenever two independent beings are unified 'perfectly' by the Spirit of True Love (the Holy Spirit). In other words. between Jesus, I know, and my Father in Heaven there is love only. They are unified by the Holy Spirit since before Creation.

                            By the way, True Love (based on unlimited mutual trust) unifies the will and power of two independent beings to the point they look as 'one' being only (as One God) to any outsider.
                            On the other hand, a law is supposed to gather and organize a group of people in the material world by its obedience.

                            So what is known as God's law ‘was’ a law by which God's chosen people have been gathered and organized. The purpose of this law was simply to prepare Jews to welcome Jesus then crucify Him. And this purpose was fulfilled completely.


                            Sorry friends, to me in the least, the verb obey implies the existence of a master and followers (modern word of slaves). The relationship between my Creator (the One Will/power of my Father in Heaven and Jesus; unified by the Holy Spirit) has nothing to do with a master/slave one. It happens that my real joy in this life is living the unconditional love (not based on any law but mine, my free will) towards all others, friends and enemies (the way it is revealed by Jesus). So by living this way, I am not obeying Jesus because it is also my own will. But, thanks to Jesus teachings, I got the relative perfect knowledge (relative to my need) I was looking for. Without such deep knowledge about 'Life Reality', it would be hard, if not impossible, for me to live the lawless divine love on earth in order to feed my soul with the divine joy while being ignorant of the world's reality (the way the world/life is made).

                            My point is that I am afraid that as long someone insists to be Christian though he doesn't or cannot see in Jesus the Incarnated Perfect Teacher (the Living Word of God) about True Love (of the Holy Spirit), life and the real world, he has no choice but to fear, obey and glorify God as the ancient Jews were supposed to do.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by God's Truth View Post

                              Originally posted by KerimF
                              Well, I hope you have the Holy Spirit though you avoid talking about IT and how you perceive IT, since you insist that your God has to be the Father in Heaven only.


                              What do you mean by I insist God to be the Father in heaven only?
                              What is making you lie about my beliefs? You should be concerned about that.
                              I am very sorry to get your belief about God wrongly.

                              I hope now that you can tell me how you perceive God in you as clear as possible (as I use doing )
                              Thank you.

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                                Originally posted by KerimF View Post

                                I am very sorry to get your belief about God wrongly.

                                I hope now that you can tell me how you perceive God in you as clear as possible (as I use doing )
                                Thank you.
                                I'm not going to talk about it with you until you answer my questions. Do you believe the Bible is the written words of God, and do you believe we have to go through Jesus to get saved?
                                Last edited by God's Truth; July 29, 2020, 05:33 AM.

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